I think they're trying to make people as mad as possible only explanation
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The Democrats are moving towards a path where they're not even pretending they're not controlled opposition.
Literally the designated political bagholders.
It’s a one-party state of the GOP, and the dems are only kept alive to serve as a blame sponge.
that's why enforcement is delayed until just after the midterms lol
RIP weird government weed. Time to put those jobs back into the hands of good and honest street dealers.
It's not just Delta 8, it's all intoxicating cannabinoids.
The entire $35 Billion dollar a year edible and beverage markets which employ roughly 300,000 Americans just got the death sentence.
Have they done anything to restrict the sale of the borderline-opiate kava derived drinks that have killed a few people yet or is it just the harmless stuff they're going after?
Kava isn't really like an opiate, if anything it's more like alcohol. And just like alcohol, it can be toxic to your liver (which can kill, but also means that at worst it should be treated like alcohol).
Kratom is the drug starting with K that's an opioid, but it has very little respiratory depression, so you basically can't overdose on it. There are no deaths solely attributable to Kratom. The government has already moved to restrict it, and the chemicals it contains, but it's still generally legal.
I believe they are referring to the drinks that contain both Kava and Kratom, which is apparently an addictive and harmful mix.
Those drinks are honestly mild, what’s actually fucked is the pills/etc being made from processed alkaloids in kratom. Stuff is much stronger and much easier to abuse, and is being marketed in the most absurd ways (I saw a smoke shop selling this stuff in bottles as “lean).
At least the overdose potential is still really low due to Kratom not really depressing breathing, but the whole market for this stuff is really messed up
Are they mild? I've heard stories of otherwise sober people developing severe addictions to them pretty quickly. And yeah it's kava and kratom extracts in far higher doses than would be used in traditional medicine.
I’ve drank a ton of Kratom seltzers and they’re all pretty mild, imo. These pills made from modified extract feel like actual opiates and can actually get you pretty blitzed. I think there’s also some kind of metabolic mechanism that limits how high you can even get from normal kratom that doesn’t apply with the pills and whatnot that contain modified alkaloids.
Yeah IDK how people died from it, I could see the drug being a contributing factor maybe.
I've only heard about the mixture from some posts my partner showed me on threads, which can be a place of fear mongering so I would take it with a grain of salt.
Still, I would recommend anybody just stick to the closest to whole plant preparations of both Kava and Kratom. With Kava, a lot of companies sell 'extracts' to help you sleep but the extracts are just usually the ethanol soluble portions of the plant, highly concentrated. This is why there is a fear of liver damage from using Kava, which should hypothetically be a much lower risk if you are using traditional preparation methods.
With Kratom, it's a pain but it's worth it to just get your own cheap capsule filler if you are a regular user, what I did way back in the day because I hated eating the plain powder.
Having tried a lot of the stuff out there I’d agree. Kratom powder is really the least problematic and honestly best for any sort of longer term abuse. It may be habit forming but it’s definitely way less bad than the modified extracts (and honestly a lot of extract products were bad enough)
I could see the drug being a contributing factor maybe
Yeah, there's been a few cases where they were on another respiratory depressant and it was Kratom that likely just pushed it over the edge.
Quite a lot of things can be contributing factors to drug overdoses though, things like OTC cough syrup, magnesium, and even certain kinds grapefruit juice can increase the risk of stopping you from breathing without themselves affecting your breathing. If you do drugs you make sure to look at the interaction tables, and if relevant test.
being marketed in the most absurd ways
The incentives are kind of perverse, everybody in the chain other than the buyer gains from getting and keeping you addicted, rather than incentivizing it's use to get people off of harder opioids. Most everything in society, from fast food to gambling to other psychoactive substances is like that too though, it's a problem by no means unique to Kratom. In my mind Gambling and a Kratom addiction are actually quite similar, not really much of a physical danger, you can largely still be a productive member of society, but it gets to be a massive financial drain.
Lol this stuff is marketed as wellness products?
Is drinking grain alcohol until I purge detox too?
I mean, it might be marketed that way but it's mostly available in head shops so I think we all get the point of it.
Drinks are basically diluted with water, the scary stuff is the concentrated pills and powders, especially since companies have put other drugs in there without saying. O-DSMT is a pretty neat weak opioid, but it has respiratory depression like normal opioids, so when a company put it in their Kratom product a number of people died.
Stuff like that is always the most dangerous part of drugs, just like methanol contamination during Prohibition, which is why it's almost always better to have it legal and regulated, instead of cracked down on. Not every drug in a category needs to be common and over-the-counter, a plurality of Kratom users are using it to get off more dangerous opioids, so I would make Kratom legal everywhere, have it regularly contamination tested, and we could leave all the other opioids all restricted like they already are.
different analysis i read made it seem like the proposal was so stringent on THC it effectively made CBD and Hemp illegal, despite this claim from the senate.
THCa is just back-door legal weed and it would suck if they removed it. It's also going to wreck all the people who started head shops and farms over the past 10 years. Trump is slaughtering all the striver entrepreneur gigs. Wholesalers, drop shippers, and now hemp.
Why are they doing this? like what is the point? usually the things they do i can identify as being either something that directly benefits rich people, something that hurts poor people and minorities for the sake of control, or something that feeds their base because its popular. But who wants this? doesn't seem like it helps criminalize black people anymore, there are lots of rich people who enjoy it and make money off it, and even chuds don't believe reefer madness anymore so it doesn't even seem like an own the libs thing.
Alchohol lobbies? Young people are drinking a lot less
But who wants this?
old white people and christofascists
Why are these people so obsessed with controlling everyone else's lives? Just leave people alone ffs
KKKultural Kkkri$$tianity
”China won’t buy our soy beans but I refuse to grow the devil’s lettuce instead”
Does anyone actually like delta-8?
Delta-8 sucks, but hemp-derived THCa which turns into Delta-9 when heated rocks
Yeah, ever since cutting back on my alcohol consumption, I’ve been drinking the THC seltzers and loving it. Would suck so hard if that was made illegal.
I'm a big fan of all the THC seltzers available here in Canada. No calories, no weedy taste, no chemical taste, no hangover. One brand in particular called Versus has some really nice flavours. They're my go-to for BYOB gatherings.
Yeah the gatherings are where I love them too. Sure I have my vape on me, but it’s nice to be able to sip on something besides soda or water and still get a bit of a buzz on.
One of the brands I like in the US called Minnie Grown does cocktail flavors too, so it hits a certain vibe at BYOB events.
I like how easy it is to purchase.
I've used it a few times and it was decent. I would like for delta-9 to be legal. Increasing restrictions on delta-8 is a step in the wrong direction. It will make delta-9 legalization more difficult.
investing all my money in kratom stocks to be the only person left with money after the ai bubble pops