Does nobody care about the health of themselves and others? Even communists? We're all just giving in to the liberal notion that getting COVID is inevitable and that you don't need to take any measures anymore? I hate everything.

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[–] procapra@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

This mindset isn't something that happened just with covid. We've heavily downplayed and ignored illness (in the US atleast) for as long as I can remember.

We all remember the kid in school who was never allowed to stay home, no matter how sick they were. My best friend got sent to school with mono when we were in Jr. High.

I never got my flu shots as a kid, and I remember a few different times our teachers asked us if we'd gotten our flu shots and typically only about ~15% said they got one. (this would have been 10-15 years ago though in the rural midwest)

What you want from people are actual lifestyle changes, when people already demonstrated they won't get a 6-12month vaccination that requires 0 lifestyle changes.

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's the same spirit as the people who argue that they they should be able to assault others with their music on public transport instead of simply putting on headphones because "muh freedums."

edit: removed aspect in CoC violation

[–] reader@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

hot take but people who are annoying are still people

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

removed due to CoC violations, as per mod request

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

"To be honest, I don’t know if other poc share this view, but I find the continuous stream of self-deprecating jokes about white people and calls for violence on white people tedious and somewhat uncomfortable. Maybe that’s some internalised bs I have to deal with, but it has a flavour of edginess to it, and feels like a lot of white people here like to post it because it shows just how cool and self hating they are, saying things that would be considered abhorrent by mainstream society. But as a woc who has been tone policed her whole life, it doesn’t feel liberating to constantly read 'unlimited genocide on kkkrackers', because to me it turns the idea of resistance against white norms and cultural supremacy into a joke, an in-group affect, and in doing so releases the user from any obligation to actually dismantle that cultural supremacy. In other words, it’s virtue-signalling. […] I came here because I wanted to learn more about leftism, talk with other lefties in a not-totally-Americentric forum and maybe find out about organisations and efforts to contribute to. And to hexbear’s credit, I have managed to do a lot of those things. But lately […] it’s felt like a club of people who share a performative leftist/west-hating affect. That’s not to say a group can’t have in-jokes of course, but when those replace the initial purpose and usefulness of the space then it just becomes a parody of itself."

— built_on_hope's comments in the Hexbear open-floor meta post for EM/POC users, August 2025

[–] reader@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

famously americans are the only ones who ever exhibit annoying behaviors like playing music out loud on the bus/train.

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

as you may have noticed, I specifically said "and yankophiles," meaning people with a yankoid mentality.

edit: removed aspect in CoC violation

[–] reader@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

again, you shouldn't just dehumanize people because you've projected americanism onto all annoying or antisocial behaviors. I mean fine, it feels good to rant on the internet, you do you, but I think it sucks.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Dehumanizing rhetoric like this goes against the spirit of the site rules against discrimination, so I'd appreciate if you would edit or remove the three comments in this thread. Otherwise I'll have to issue your first warning per the new CoC.

As someone living in the burger reich I get your frustration, and I've definitely fallen into misanthropic moods at times myself, but if we dismiss the vast majority of people as non-human, we're no better than our opponents.

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

i am not american and americans are (fortunately) not the global majority. though i suppose ive been too harsh and should obviously refrain from being hyperbolic like that.

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

i am not american and americans are not the global majority.

Yeah that was some unclear phrasing on my part, my bad. The majority I was referring to was people not taking COVID precautions, which I believe is the majority globally at this point (though I'd love to be wrong). If you live in an area where people are still taking it seriously, I'm envious lol.

though i suppose ive been too harsh and should obviously refrain from being hyperbolic like that.

Thanks, appreciate it. mario-thumbs-up

[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

Fuck off with that shit tbh

[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Its really not tho. Playing music in public is a common practice that can encourage people to socialize. Are there anti social ways to do it? Sure, but there's nothing wrong with brining a little culture onto an otherwise bland and isolating experience.

I think its kinda weird that some people want to enforce silence on the bus, but I'm guessing that's a cultural difference.

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

hell yeah, auditory assault on all commuters! who fucking cares if they may have a disability or condition that makes it physically painful for them to listen to me blasting my garbage at full volume because i am to lazy to put on headphones. they are just npcs in MY world and anyways, only losers take public transport so they deserve it! If they don't want to hear it they should just stop being poor and buy a car!

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[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think you want to hear what I'm trying to say. Oh well. Have a nice day.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd like to hear more about what sort of cultural background you're coming from, what you think are prosocial vs antisocial ways of playing music in public, and how public music can be squared with different music preferences and sound hypersensitivity and things like that.

Also, not that it actually is my place to say, but if I were in your shoes I don't think I would've wished them a nice day.

[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

I mean, they could use one. They're clearly not doing well.

I'm Salvadoran-American, I grew up in the diaspora with a bunch of immigrant families from all over latino america and later on the Texas/Mexico border.

Most everywhere I've lived, people just play music on speakers. Whenever they're at. Work, bus, &c. They're usually familiar jams that you might hear at a party or in a bar. Cumbia, Corridas, Bachata, sometimes hip hop. Its part of being alive to me I guess.

That said, its pretty anti social to do things like watch porn with speakers on the bus or just watch tiktok or listen to noise. Even having competing tracks together is just not a good vibe.

To me its like, do i want to listen to the engine roar and loud AC or do I want to listen to this random guys bachata playlist? I'm gonna pick bachata every time because the alternative isnt silence, its just plain noise. In cases like this, playing music makes the ride nicer and I might actually be inclined to talk to someone instead of trying to tune out the noise for the duration of my commute. Same goes for house parties, it makes my night hearing familiar cumbia songs and latino pop. Reminds me of my childhood.

I would hope that people with sensitivity to sound aren't raw dogging public transit. Even if everyone was individually quiet that sounds like a sensory nightmare, at least for the kind of transit I'm familiar with.

I do think there's a big cultural component. Its not like latinos are any less prone to being sensitive than anyone else. You just grow up around a certain way of life and it becomes cozy.

[–] AF_R@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s pretty objectively inconsiderate of others to make unnecessary noise like that on public transit or even too loud for personal use in public spaces.

I can’t say I understand where you’re coming from because I don’t have that shared cultural experience.

What happens when you don’t like the music someone’s playing? Or you want to watch a video on your phone or enjoy a audiobook with earbuds? Do you just blast your own even louder? Do the people that don’t enjoy it really not exist or are they just threatened with violence until they start “enjoying” the culture?

I mean I’ve seen it all around the world, I understand to that extent that some cultures normalize it. But I see it in the same way cultures normalize behaviors that are not good for subsets of the population. Americans culturally hate science, intelligence, and empathy. Japanese culturally hate not blending in and doing your duty. Etc etc. just because something is normal doesn’t change that it is harmful.

[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

It’s pretty objectively inconsiderate of others to make unnecessary noise like that on public transit or even too loud for personal use in public spaces.

"Inconsiderate" is in the eye of the beholder, it isn't objective at all. Maybe some spaces need a dialogue to go down to redefine the social contract. I can accept that.

I have a personal fondness for a really loud vibe that you many not like. Which may even be harmful to you. If anyone on a specific train or bus is specifically being harmed tho, I would support turning the music down or off! I'm not a complete asshole, I was just raised on loud music.

[–] mrfugu@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is that how you interpreted that post? Seemed pretty pro-masking to me

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Were the crickets wearing masks too? soviet-playful

[–] emdash@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I'm talking about all the comments that mention not masking for one feeble reason or another.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just not true. This is the only place on the internet I know of that takes COVID even remotely seriously, and far more than any group of people I have ever encountered in real life.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

This comm, sure. This site? Absolutely not.

[–] emdash@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

The bar is on the floor

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Yes, that’s basically where we are at now. Your average person heard it was endemic and that was all they needed to know about it anymore.

I am so fucking resentful of the world and public at this point.

Where is this other post? I have half a mind to go start bullying them.

[–] Bob_Odenkirk@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

which post?

[–] Clippy@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

here

[–] Bob_Odenkirk@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That thread is overwhelmingly pro-masking.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As someone who hasn't seen anyone wearing masks in public in over a year it was kinda weird seeing a thread full of people assuring each other that they are all wearing masks.

[–] reader@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think the assurance only feels needed for that exact reason, many people do not have any IRL community that is covid-aware.

I feel very lucky to have almost half my IRL sphere be on their shit about masking. I don't know if I would still be masking if they weren't, just to be frank.

I think we should do more to combat the relaxed liberal attitudes slipping in around masking in that thread like "I'll only do it when I'm sick/in flu season". I can understand the fatalism that produces those desires, but they probably shouldn't be allowed here, or at least should be strongly disputed.

[–] reader@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

there were a few comments in there about not masking or relaxing their masking practices majorly, which when I read them last night were sitting there undisputed. But yeah, there's a tendency to only see the bad, not the overall positive community consensus that's been cultivated on this site.

[–] Demifriend@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is it? The comments aren't explicitly anti-masking, but many of the comments are from people who are rationalizing why it's OK in their circumstance to unmask. Some of the newer comments are better but when I first checked the thread yesterday almost all of them were making excuses about why it doesn't really matter or why they can't for such-and-such reason (that I find disputable, "can't" in these contexts often just means they don't want to give up whatever aspect of their lifestyle makes masking difficult and thus excuses their behavior). I joked to my wife yesterday when I was getting annoyed about the thread that it gave me the same impression as when people think up weird hypotheticals about when it is okay to say slurs or whatever.

[–] Clippy@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

i dunno then i just typed "mask" in the search engine and sorted by new