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Assuming that LLMs hamper gaining true experience and mastery of a language, and further assuming that LLMs will play a significant part in development (especially for juniors)... it seems to me that new programming languages and frameworks will have a significantly greater hurdle to overcome going forward, compared to what they faced in the past.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I vibe code Brainfuck using Eliza.

[–] xia 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tell me more about I vibe code Brainfuck using Eliza.

[–] xangadix@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

What does that suggest to you?

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Make them worse by having Brainfuck tell them they aren't polite enough

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 18 points 2 weeks ago

Rust: the last programming language.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

ITT: People not understanding how LLMs are trained. They tokenize words and phrases (give them serial numbers to index), study relationship and distance between tokens, and mimic the most common outcomes they've been trained on.

It's not magic, it's a parrot.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

Well, they will if vibe coding takes off. But if not, it's not that different from how it's quite reasonable to choose python because of its massive community and archive of Stackoverflow answers.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago

Excuse me this is lemmyshitpost, not lemmysloppost

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Lot's of assumption here. And having lived long enough to see "that's definitely the best language ever" happens multiple times, I'm not too worried.

Until we get something different than LLM that is able to actually understand what's happening and combine things in different ways, the only thing that might dwindle in the future is the cost of rewriting the same app every six months, since an LLM might (still lots of assumption) be able to regurgitate it. People writing new things will still be required for a long time. And these people will want new, shiny languages for all the same reasons we keep making new languages to this day.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Code without LLMs, simple as.