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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/40055131

OG title: We need to talk... about the Proton ecosystem

Ecosystem is a trap. It lures you in with the promise of convenience, only to lock you inside a walled garden. Like Google and Apple. They start with a good product, but then force you to use the whole suite to get the full experience. This is dangerous.

Ecosystems are concentrating all of your data and your digital life in the hands of a single entity. An entity that grows so large and powerful that it will start making compromises against your rights only to find more ways to profit or protect their business. The larger the ecosystem, the bigger data harvester it becomes. It becomes a bigger target for hackers and the more products it offers the more data it has to give to the surveillance state.

We know that the big tech does this, because their only moral value is the shareholder value. [4] But when a private company starts quacking like a duck in the steps of the big tech, it should worry us the same way. That company is Proton. The maker of the most renowned privacy products that have always been meant as ethical alternatives to the big tech.

Today, Proton resembles more and more the ecosystems of Google and Apple than it does its noble origins of fighting the big tech. This is a problem. It’s a problem for your privacy and it’s a problem for the whole community. But you probably never of heard of this perspective, because none of this is talked about enough. There is a reason for this.

You see, most content on Proton you’ll find, is coming from sources that are sponsored or affiliated with Proton. And I know how lucrative Proton’s deals are, because Proton even tried to pay me. Of course, I refused their offer, because taking their money would incentivize me not to recommend against Proton products. I am uniquely positioned to give you a nuanced critique of Proton and how to solve this problem.


Some good points to be said. I find the overall argument a bit weak as it is mainly one of user erorr of sorts. Btw THO has some pretty good back log of videos on privacy; check out their stuff on burners phones and anonymizing yourself at a protest.

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[–] unknowablenight@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

A great thing about the Proton "ecosystem" is that it is not like Google where you need an account to access docs (or VPN on mobile!), though I agree that centralisation isn't the best thing for tech nerds like us. That's why I prefer to just use ProtonMail and VPN, and leave the other stuff like drives and password managers to other open-source projects.

(Also, having an ecosystem may be good for those who refuse to put in as much effort as us, or those who simply do not understand as much as we do. I personally don't support centralisation, but there's a reason that non-tech nerds often do.)

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

True. I posted it for some discussion because I also find the YT channel to be pretty good.

Its good that using all the services is optional.

[–] Steve@communick.news 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Historically that's all true, and good reason to keep an eye on them.

But Proton is very much different than all the previous companies in this space. They're a non-VC funded private non-profit, with a board of trustees made up of scientists and engineers. The buisness model is funded by subscription, not ad sales. And by design, they themselves have no access to any of their users data.

With all that in place to prevent enshittification, I don't realy see any rational reason for concern.

[–] laxryn@slrpnk.net 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I left recently had a family plan $20 a month, but the value ad was just not there, and then I saw them spending money on crypto and AI, and we all use Linux, so I feel like we got left out in the cold in a way, no drive client etc

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Linux drive client is finally in the works, but yeah the AI chat, and crypto wallet is nonsense.

[–] pmk@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Same, I migrated storage to nextcloud on hetzner, but I'll keep my protonmail and a cheaper proton subscription than I had before if possible, or else just the free tier. I'm just not sure their heart is in the right place. For example they have social media presence on basically all platforms including X, instagram, tiktok, linkedin, reddit, threads, facebook, whatsapp, etc, but they closed down their mastodon account because of lack of resources.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

I use proton bridge with thunderbird. I ignore the rest of the suite of services (i wish i could pay less for stuff i dont use)

i dont feel trapped as long as i stick to email only. I self host the rest of it (files, calendar)

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah. I'm hoping to go mostly self-hosted.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

100%

Proton should fire bootlicker Andy and fix their current products instead of spreading out and vibe coding as many apps as they can to grow their own centralized monopoly.

[–] jimerson@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's the reason I left. Oh well. Mullvad has since been a better VPN experience, anyway, and secure email options aren't tough to find.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Other than Tuta, which would you consider?

[–] jimerson@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Check out mailbox.org, but nothing wrong with Tuta.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

I think he may have doing what other companies did; kiss trumps ass to stay out of his "we need to go after these guys" radar. Trump could easily have ordered no offshore encryption allowed or some nonsense that would limit them operating in the USA