New video footage from the scene shows the man climbing the stairs to the bridge where the two gunmen lay injured after being shot by police marksmen.

The member of the public is seen kicking a weapon away from the terrorists – but police continue firing at the bridge, causing the man to duck for cover.

As police close in on the injured gunmen, the refugee is then challenged by members of the public, who mistake him for a terrorist.

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[–] howl2@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ahmed (hero #1) put the gun down almost immediately after wresting it from shooter #1, then got shot by shooter #2. Still was probably best he didn't hold onto it as police were moving in, as hero #2 quickly found out. But let's not miss the fact the public fought back en mass as they went after him thinking he was a shooter. That's some good stuff.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not to be confused with heroes -1 and 0 who were killed wrestling the gun from shooter 1 before anyone had been shot

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

no good deed goes unpunished.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Obviously they failed, which is why they are dead and not heroes.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

the refugee is then challenged by members of the public, who mistake him for a terrorist

Ooh I wonder that ethicity he was and what ethnicities the "members of the public" were.

[+] moonshadow@slrpnk.net -20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like half the comments in this thread so far are you pushing race war shit, fuck off dude

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What's the real race war? Making random snarky comments on Lemmy or literally attacking a guy trying to save you because he fits the collective description of a "terrorist," or defending those attacks as an "inevitable" part of saving people when it's clearly been shown it's many times more likely to happen to ethnicities perceived to be more likely to be terrorists?

Are all the large scale studies showing that police/the public in white majority countries are much more likely to assume a non-white person is a perpetrator whenever any attack on the public happens also pushing race war shit? You can't imagine how this could have possibly played out differently if the guy wasn't Middle Eastern "like the terrorist who shot at us?"

[+] moonshadow@slrpnk.net -7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The "us vs them" perspective you're pushing so hard here is the root cause of racial conflict. What happened to this guy was both tragic and unfair. You are not helping.

Lesson learned for all the non-whites: if you see white people in danger, walk away because they're not going to let silly things like "literally saving their lives" get in the way of assuming you're the bad guy.

If this is genuine, please touch grass. If not, please fuck off. Either way it's poison I'm not going to engage with further

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lesson learned for all the non-whites: if you see white people in danger, walk away because they’re not going to let silly things like “literally saving their lives” get in the way of assuming you’re the bad guy.

If this is genuine, please touch grass. If not, please fuck off.

Again, the "assuming you're the bad guy based on your ethnicity regardless of what you did" part has been shown to actually happen to non-white people much more frequently than white people in white majority countries. And by "lesson learned" I was referring to the fact that this is something many people will inevitably think after seeing a story like this even if they don't say it, though I should have made that more clear.

I admit I was too snarky/aggressive/us-vs-them with my wording, I see your point there and deleted that comment as I no longer wish to say those exact words. But, is the fact that THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS not a bigger problem that plagues society than how politely people articulate it? How about we work on not having this happen or at least not having it be more likely to happen to certain ethnicities than others so no one makes those comments again instead of dismissing it as the person who points it out needing to fuck off? Do the people responsible for causing this racial injustice not also have the responsibility to contribute to mitigating it in the future?

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

One must understand that if they're going to take on a shooting perp that they are putting their life at risk, not just from the perpetrator but from the cops that will be responding or any witnesses will be there.

It is built into the process. You will risk your life. You may get shot for being a good Samaritan. By the police.

It happens.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And You have to understand that Islamophobia is a serious problem.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It is. But it's not what I'm talking about. Multiple people in the US who were "good guy with a gun" have been killed by cops. Off the top of my head I can think of a black and a white guy. The cops don't care. If you have a gun out during an active shooter event and you are not clearly visible as law enforcement you will be shot. Race or religion will not be a factor.

Now if you get mobbed by civilians could very much depend on one's ethnic or religious presentation. But in America we don't tend to do the mobbing thing because despite all our brave words even the cops will sit outside for 45 minutes to make sure it's safe to go in.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It happens.

With a much, much lower likelihood of it happening if the guy was white, I bet.

He got shot because he "looked" like a terrorist in the police/public's eyes, despite being the one fighting the terrorists.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

In America the rate is pretty distributed. But it's a very small sample size because most people don't get involved.

The number one thing that makes you look like a terrorist in a situation like this is holding a gun.

[–] tehsillz@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anyone holding a gun during an active shooting is automatically a suspect in the few seconds it occurs.. I doubt it has anything to do with skin color.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So why did the public mob the guy then? They saw him literally fighting the gunman and still assumed he's one of them? If it was a pale skinned blond guy they 100% would have believed him when he said he's trying to help, but because he's Middle Eastern they refused to see past the "terrorist" stereotype.

And if they didn't see him fighting the terrorist, that's worse. They attacked a random Middle Eastern guy assuming all of them are terrorists. Why didn't they go after any of the white people on the beach in the same way?

[+] tehsillz@lemmy.world -6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe because he's standing on top of the shooter, kicking the gun with his hands up?? How are people supposed to know he's not part of it.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

How else are people supposed to fight terrorists? Say please and thank you?

kicking the gun

Because someone intent on helping them shoot people definitely does that.

with his hands up

Oh so they could clearly see he wasn't holding a weapon.

[–] tehsillz@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Do you think people have drone vision or something? This is happening in the midst of chaos. Just because you can see it in the video doesn't mean people around there can see what is happening. There is a wall around him. NOBODY can see him kicking the gun.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I see your point and accept it. However, I don't think that takes away from the broader fact that this is significantly less likely to happen to white people compared to Middle Eastern.