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Edit: It works! Not beautiful and shows a concerning amount of "Error" lines on startup but it will do. I got VSCodium and ESP-IDF running, at least – and CMake isn't awfully slow despite it being a crappy 4GB RAM machine (not easily upgradeable). The first boot took a while and I haven't rebooted since, I guess it will be below 30 seconds next time (Mint on same machine but HDD was about 1 minute).

Edit: I hope I chose the right kernel here, surprisingly not much info online on this! Also, I picked "targeted" because the 10-year-old system does not use any cutting-edge hardware and all drivers should be auto-detected, I think.

After some experience with Linux Mint, I gathered the courage to try another distro. I'd like to turn an old laptop into an IPTV receiver plus FTP/OpenVPN/HomeAssistant server with occasional desktop use. I first installed Windows 11 just in case my family needs to use it (it fucking sucks, the built-in PS/2 keyboard doesn't work half the time but that's an issue for later) but now I'll be turning it into a dual-boot setup with Debian as the primary option. Please give me some encouragement, I'm really afraid of new things.

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[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

My usual approach when trying Debian on a desktop or workstation: if I have to install a single package from testing or sid, fuck this and just use Arch or Fedora.

[–] FrameXX@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

Just use distrobox as long as it doesn't hinder much the program's functionality or your convenience.

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 16 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

It's Debian. Let us know when you have your first real issues with it, probably some time in 2037.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 3 points 6 hours ago

Don't be too hopeful, it will probably be the upgrade to Debian 14 in 2030. And the issue will probably be: yes, you need to change the repo and then full-upgrade.

[–] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

I had some getting it to run on a Chuwi HI8 but the thing is a terrible tablet-PC pretending to be a terrible Android tablet...

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I had a fair amount of issues back in the day due to debian having limited support for newer hardware with proprietary drivers. I wouldnt be surprised if that still a thing given Debian's modus operandi.

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 hours ago

Debian now prompts users if they want non free drivers in the installer, and the installer it self comes with them so it can boot on platforms that require it, non free drivers and firmware are also in a seperated repository to non-free and enabling them is independent, selecting non free drivers in the installer will enable the non free driver and firmware repository

[–] signofzeta@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Good question. It seems like Debian has been speeding up a bit. The software is still a bit older, but it’s not too far behind compared to some other Debian releases. I switched and it’s been rock solid, despite me running a Trixie Backports system.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

See my newest comment with the monospaced text.

But yeah, not a real issue, I fixed it in 15 minutes. Apparently it was foolish of me to want Num Lock on the lock screen (Czech keyboard layout uses the number row for diacritics).

Edit: Now I fixed that too. I can easily use numbers in my password now!

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

You don’t need luck. You chose wisely.

[–] AldinTheMage@ttrpg.network 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I love Debian. Been using it on my laptop for over a year. Some specific drivers are a little fiddly if you have nvidia graphics but it's not too bad, lots of good info on the debian wiki.

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago)

Some specific drivers are a little fiddly if you have nvidia graphics

Nit-picking here but Nvidia drivers for Debian are ridiculously easy to install? Doc page

  • Prerequisites
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security contrib non-free main non-free-firmware
sudo apt update
  • Install the driver (Trixie)
sudo apt install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-driver
  • Have an RTX capable GPU?
sudo apt install libnvoptix1

Edit: For an Nvidia Optimus Laptop just install envycontrol and set your Nvidia GPU as your primary GPU.

sudo envycontrol -s nvidia --force-comp --coolbits 24

Done, easy peasy.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I just wish Debian didn't use apt. Got fuck I hate apt. With a fucking passion. FUCK APT.

But I do love Debian it's always been the most reliable thing ever.

[–] dorkofeverything@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

Damn near every distro is fiddly with Nvidia graphics, they're practically a criminal cartel, they give Nouveau 0 support (ok fine, lately a bit, but probably not enough)

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

same here even though i don't use it much anymore.

for me, it was both the distro that i had used the longest at home due to rock solid stability and it's become a signal to me that the shop i'm considering working in has rock solid people working on it.

i'm going to miss working on debian in a professional capacity and watching it due it's thing in real world production capacities for millions of people at a time.

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[–] SrMono@feddit.org 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I hereby grant the application for luck. May your Debian boot and bring joy.

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You make it sound religious. Did i join a religion deccades ago and not knowing it?

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If we say yes, do you think we can get tax exemptions?

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The first rule of the church of tux is to talk about the church of tux 🙏

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I use arch btw~not~ ~really~

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[–] banazir@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No luck needed, it'll go fine. You pretty obviously have all the experience you need.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Experience? Yes, but I'm also really clumsy and impatient. Lots of things, hardware and software, broke in my hands because I wasn't careful enough. At least there is no personal data on the system right now that I could erase.

[–] dentacle@bookwyr.me 17 points 1 day ago

Lots of things, hardware and software, broke in my hands

Some of us call it a talent and make a career out of it...

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[–] Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just a little warning if you boot both OS from the same drive. Windows update can and will break your bootloader at one point (if not worse, tho that's rare). Keep a Linux live or rescue stick around in case something breaks.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I know this, what a pain... I eventually had to install rEFInd on one of the PCs with dual boot.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If it’s 10 year old hardware, you should be fine.

I’ve only had problems in Debian with brand new hardware where I have to use the backport branch to get drivers (like for wifi.)

Though mainly I use Ubuntu, where I would not have that problem. Not sure why you switched from mint.

[–] Leax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 hours ago

I tried Mint on my old MacBook pro and it was really slow, impossible to scroll through a website slow. I then installed Ubuntu and had a wonderful experience

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[–] Decker108@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I just made the switch from Win 10 to Bazzite Linux some two weeks ago. It worked so great that I should have done it a long time ago.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This shouldn't be a thing of luck, if you are prepared.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (16 children)

No, I'm absolutely not. What desktop environment should I choose? KDE Plasma is tempting - it would be nice to use it before I install it with Arch on my main system - but I don't need the cutting edge or much personalization. I know XFCE best but GNOME is default... GNOME's big launcher looks great for the TV but it's also more resource-hungry and less customizable...

I guess I'll go with the familiar Windows-style XFCE and maybe add big remote-friendly icons later when I configure an IR receiver.

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

What desktop environment should I choose

That's the beauty .... You can change any time you want (sudo tasksel) withjout losing your data. or install all of them and choose one each time you login

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[–] wildflower@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I recently helped a friend install Debian via sms, it was surprisingly easy, and she had never tried installing Linux before. When installing on a laptop I'd recommend using cable instead of wifi, and then setup wifi when the system is up and running.

Best of luck

[–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Gee! How long did it take to transfer the iso via sms? Did you have to uuencode it?

[–] signofzeta@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Nah, he Base4017’d it. That’s Base64 plus all the emojis. It’s actually quite efficient.

[–] notagoblin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

🤣 🤣 🤣

[–] notagoblin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mint is solid, if you use it and it works for you why change? Do you need to bother with windows? What do you use that can't be done on Linux I wonder? Perhaps work out how to set a VM and try out Debian and even windows in a test sandbox so you're comfortable with the processes before taking the plunge. Check out KVM, QEMU, and Virt-Manager.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I have worked with VMs before and still use an XP one sometimes. But modern Windows in a VM on an old laptop with 4 GB of RAM? I'll pass...

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