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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I'm from Iceland and we have these letters and I think it does make some sense. English spelling is not very good and the alphabet needs some additions and simplification. These are happening today but very slowly most notably in American English but I'd like to see some development.

Þorn is a great letter, I þink it makes sense as a replacement for th like it was historically used. Adding in þe ð is overkill in my opinion since it's very þese sounds are already represented wiþ þe þorn.

You can still see it in "Ye old whatever" where þe Y is actually a Þ after a lot of iterations. It was always pronounced as a "th" sound.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 1 hour ago

The internet is for Þorn!

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I fiuly agree. In fact, I have a multi-step suggestion:

In Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet.

The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

By chance, have you ever read the novel Ella Minnow Pea? I feel like you might enjoy it if you haven't.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

> Looks inside

> Unreadable gibberish

I love it.

þese sounds are already represented wiþ þe þorn

Agreed, English orthography doesn't match pronunciation very well, but what's the point of changing th to þ if it doesn't improve that situation? In this phrase, the thorn represents two different phonemes: While terminal th may be pronounced as þ (voiceless) or ð (voiced) depending on the English dialect, for example, ðe would be a different word than þe. Adding a new letter to the alphabet just to replace a perfectly-serviceable digraph would just add another letter to the alphabet.

If we're gonna bother, I'd say sort out the c / k / ch situation instead.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

if it keeps going, it will eventually become invisible and then it'll be normal

[–] AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca 52 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Paging that one lemming (San, or something like that I believe) that always uses the thorn in their comments, if it weren't for them, I never would've had a chance at understanding this.

Still really annoying though, ngl.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Whimsic𐑀l ch𐑀r𐑀cters like þ𐑀t 𐑀re wh𐑀t m𐑀ke Lemmy, Lemmy.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

One day Lemmy will learn about the multiocular ‘o’.

Be nꙮt afraid

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