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[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nazis gonna Nazi. Could've been stopped with a solid postwar purge, but we didn't do that.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We are truly living in sad times, I'm still rooting for Die Linke I hope they increase their voteshare faster

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Isn’t Die Linke Zionist though?

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I've been too afraid to ask anywhere else, but what does Zionist mean?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Here are some resources. In a nutshell, it's a settler colonialist ideology. Meaning the settlement on and ethnic cleansing of the native population.

From Nur Masalha Ch 1 Pg 15-16

At the time the Balfour Declaration was issued, Jews constituted about 10 percent of the population of Palestine, and owned about 2 percent of the land. While Zionist land purchases remained relatively limited during the Mandate period (6 percent until 1948), Jewish immigration into Pales­tine began eroding the immense numerical superiority of the Palestinians.32 Growing Arab awareness of Zionist aims in Palestine, reinforced by Zionist calls for unrestricted Jew­ish immigration and unhindered transfer of Arab lands to exclusive Jewish control, triggered escalating protests and resistance that were eventually to culminate in the peasant- based great Arab Rebellion of 1936-39.

Already at the time of the Balfour Declaration, apprehen­ sions concerning the fate of the “non-Jewish communities’ had been voiced in British establishment circles. Edward Montagu, a Jewish cabinet minister at the India Office, had expressed in 1917 his belief that the Zionist drive to create a Jewish state in Palestine would end by “driving out the present inhabitants.”33 Even the enthusiastically pro-Zionist Winston Churchill had written in his review of Palestinian affairs dated 25 October 1919 that “there are the Jews, whom we are pledged to introduce into Palestine, and who take it for granted that the local population will be cleared out to suit their convenience."

A History of Modern Palestine Ch 3

By February 1947, Britain had had enough. It had more soldiers in Palestine than on the Indian subcontinent, and had been constantly involved in direct clashes with both political leaderships. The number of British casualties had also risen, mainly due to a terror campaign waged by Zionist extremists, the most notorious being the Stern Gang. This terror campaign peaked with the blowing up of British headquarters in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946. But it was not terror that forced the British out. A particularly bad winter in 1946–47, and a harsh American attitude towards Britain’s debt to the United States, created an economic crisis in Britain that served as an incentive for a limited process of decolonization, mainly in India and Palestine

Partition was planned expulsion

The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

More details of ethnic cleansing and apartheid after the nakba

After the Nakba the Palestinians within now Israel that survived the ethnic cleansing were under the draconic Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations, which we're then practiced in the occupied territories instead after 1967. Even then, Arab Israelis continued to be second class citizens for many reasons including Education, continued.

Zionism goes against the actual teachings of Judaism, it's very revisionist. Jewish opposition to Israel is as old as Zionism itself. Hasidic Jewish people, while small in number, are still the largest Anti-zionist group in Israel. Jewish people have been at the forefront of Anti-zionist activism for a long time, including Jewish Voice for Peace. Palestinians too of course.

Zionism uses Judaism as a shield, deflecting criticism against it's fascist actions as anti-semitic, which in-turn raises the amount of genuine anti-semitism experienced by Jewish people worldwide, due to that false conflation of Judaism and Zionism. That's why it's critical to detangle that false conflation.

Zionism comes from the same roots of other-izing Jewish people as seen in white supremacy, that's exactly why it's been supported by white supremacist since the beginning to present day. For white supremacists, Jewish people are inherently different and need to go back to 'where they came from' in the middle east. Christian Zionists, who far outnumber Jewish Zionists, want to trigger the end-times which will kill every 'nonbeliever' with the holy war.

Adi Callai, in his video Anti-Semitism, Weaponized, does a phenomenal analysis the history of antisemitism and how Zionism fits into that picture. He has another on the Gaza Ghetto Uprising and on Franz Fanon which are also just as relevant to the current situation in Palestine as well.

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Oh wowzers I'm gonna have to take some time to go through all of this. Thank you so much for the detailed response

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Additionally, there's also books or documentaries I'd recommend on the subject

Historian Works on the History

Documentaries

A shocking insight into Israel's Apartheid | Roadmap to Apartheid | Full Film

Palestine 101 with Abby Martin

Life in Occupied PALESTINE by Anna Baltzer

How Israeli Apartheid Destroyed My Hometown

The Gaza Ghetto Uprising

Anti-Semitism, Weaponized.

One year of Israel’s war on Gaza: Al Jazeera special coverage

Palestine 1920: The Other Side of the Palestinian Story | Al Jazeera World Documentary

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 hours ago

Mostly not. There are some Zionist members and some others recently left because of internal critical debate, but it is mostly that the party leadership doesn't want the reactionary media and other parties in Germany to weaponize this against them so they try to suppress the topic (yeah this is wierd in Germany...).

[–] pendel@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah basically all big parties and mainstream media are, kinda the entire elite of the country. This even extends to German Lemmy, I used to have a Feddit account a couple years back and now created one again, did like 5 posts until I got a ban and got called an antisemite and will move instances again. Germany is cooked.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As far as I can tell they can't really position themselves as anything but anti-war, because they're overall very torn on the matter(s)

"Anti" war as in roll over and don't defend yourself against an invasion, unfortunately.

German politics is weird