AI has nothing to do with fascism. It's a tool, and the left rejecting the use of this tool cedes this technology to fascists. Meanwhile, I would argue that what makes something slop or not is the intent behind it. Any piece of advertisement made by a human is far more slop than something generated using an LLM by a person genuinely wanting to express an idea in their head. We already live in a culture saturated by slop to the brim. You can't go outside without being assaulted by advertisements on every corner.
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is the solution collective ownership of the means of productions, as well as abolition of advertisting?
Ultimately that would be the goal, but we have to get there somehow from where we are today.
When the facists are the only people who have access to the slops brain we dont really have much choice.
There are plenty of open models out there. There are also hosted models like DeepSeek from China, everyone has access to them. It's not a question of availability, it's a problem of people actively choosing not to engage with this technology.
I will concede that point, but I still think that the lefts rejection is still justified especially for image generation where the few genuine use cases are vastly outweighed by the masses of deception it is usually used for.
I don't see how rejection of new automation technology is justified at all actually. There is literally no rational basis for rejecting this tech and ensuring that it's only used by people who are directly opposed to your ideals. The fallacy if your argument is the underlying assumption that if the tiny minority on the left doesn't use it, then it's going to have any impact on broad usage. Image generation is an excellent tool for making things like political memes, and other forms of agitation. The right uses it aggressively, and it directly drives their recruitment. Why the left should ignore this tech is frankly beyond me.
AI is a tool with certain use cases. Under capitalism, it's used as a vessel for investment and is thrown into everything like a broken, false panacea. Under socialism, it's already being used to help identify patterns, automate production, and is seen more as infrastructure. The over-application of AI to areas it does not meaningfully aid, and in many cases is a detriment, is an issue far larger in capitalism than socialism.
The importance of education and cultural hegemony isn't in the tools themselves, necessarily, but in the class struggle of the state. AI wasn't needed for bourgeois hegemony and fascism in the US Empire, the bourgeoisie used the tools they had. We fight this by mastering the tools they use and correctly agitating among the people for better.
the weirdest part is that ai slop is also being used for stuff like films, tv shows, commercials (yes, commercials - like in coca-cola and mcdonald's), merch, music, and even kids' material (like in youtube kids). there's gonna be a future generation of people who were raised on ai slop to a point where they CAN'T even tell if something's made by ai or NOT. seriously!
Yep, it's presently being over-applied, but that doesn't mean that's permanent.
Yeah its sick. And people don't even see it, which is scary. Im not susprised though. We said even when the internet began, dont trust it. We need to go back to not trusting it.
Hopefully the next Gen of kids do revolt against it, and i think they will. We need to keep reminding them what they were robbed of that we had (awesome internet, very few ads, media you actually own, no subscriptions, no data harvesting, no surveillance, not to mention less billionaires) otherwise they may assume life was always like this. Keep reminding them how great we had it, how the billionaires destroyed it, and how to get back to a better world in the future.
We don't need to move the clock backwards, but forwards, into socialism. Life was not better evenly in the past, and we cannot simply "get it back." History progresses, and trying to move backwards is reactionary, rather than revolutionary.
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Fascism isn’t a grassroots movement, it’s an astroturfed one, funded by the bourgeoisie. The problem isn’t the tool (AI) so much as the user and their goals. Bourgeois think tanks & media outlets, like for instance PragerU, are going to produce & distribute reactionary content regardless of what tools are available.
I think it’s best not to adopt this slang term for AI bots given its racist origins.
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So the cool new technology that allows the poors to make stuff they couldn't before will only ever be used to create fascist propaganda? If you really think this, help us change that, by using it yourself.
We can use the working class' numbers advantage to outpropaganda the enemy. Now that the skill floor is so low and the iteration speed so fast, the owning class' "more education access" and "more free time" advantages get greatly diminished.
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It can be solved with vibes, of course, because that's the only thing you've presented here.
Why do you think a future generation raised by ai slop made by clankers would up supporting a future fascist regime in the US? Why do you think the last 200 years of the US hasn't already been a fascist regime? How does ai slop interact with the way fascism develops?
Give us some thing, comrade.
🏆More patience than I’m usually able to muster.
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