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The context here is very important. Germany buying in into GCAP is because the French/German/Spanish cooperation for building the FCAS fighter is failing these days, because Dassault and Airbus can't get their shit together. It does not have to do anything with Russia here though.
The reality that we can no longer rely on the US is the driver though. I think it's best to have multiple supplier options now. Why go from being beholden to the Americans to being beholden to the French?
And I'm pretty sure Russia was not expecting NATO to suddenly have the capability replaced in Europe with the likes of SAAB
FCAS was explicitly intended to be a pan European development between 3 important states of the European Union.
Neither UK nor Japan are part of the EU, meaning Germany is making itself dependent from other economic parties. I don't know how independent the GCAP development is from the US though.
Also Germany only would be more of a "privileged customer" in the case if GCAP than a cooperation partner like they would be with FCAS. FCAS was not planned as a project where someone is beholden to the French, but a real cooperation with the EU block. I still think this is by far the preferred option. But aircraft development is a very complex field and the industry is very specialized.
It is understandable from an economic perspective the players are acting protectionist. Shifting the responisibility from one company to the other has a direct impact to the economies of a country for many decades and is moreover connected to the set up and dismantling of whole industries, workplaces included.
But this is the risk states are willing to take within a EU, that is dysfunctional in many regards. There are many European projects in the past that have been very successful but others that failed hard. Military cooperation is a new task and we will see within the next 15 years how successful it will be.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Not that surprised to be honest. It seems every joint venture with France leads into pure chaos.
With Dassault not necessarily France. FREMM, Storm Shadow/SCALP, FREMM, Aster and a bunch more sucessful projects come to mind.
I refuse to believe that this was not government backed. Any of it.
Didnโt something similar happen back in the day during the Development of the Eurofighter? ๐ค
Exactly the same. And again with the main battle tank. The French build good stuff, but oh boy do they hate sticking to contracts.
Italy, Germany and Japan have asked to join your party, what could go wrong?