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Website operators are being asked to feed LLM crawlers poisoned data by a project called Poison Fountain.

The project page links to URLs which provide a practically endless stream of poisoned training data. They have determined that this approach is very effective at ultimately sabotaging the quality and accuracy of AI which has been trained on it.

Small quantities of poisoned training data can significantly damage a language model.

The page also gives suggestions on how to put the provided resources to use.

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[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Been thinking about making one of these too, especially since I have a catchy name : asbestos

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Me too, but with procedural image generation. Use some templates which are put together with CPU blitter (extremely fast and effective), add some random descriptive text, then done. Don't know how much my theory would work IRL.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have around 10-20GB github / gitlab mirror. I am constantly under attack from crawlers from top US technology corporations and LLM startups. Whenever I ban one IP range they switch to other - I don't know if those fuckers have tickets in their systems to do it manually or they just deploy this shit all over the planet. From what I observe during attacks that I mitigate the best way to poison them is to just create gitea instance with poisoned code repository and couple hundred revisions. It's because what they are most interested in is html representation of diff between two git revisions.

[–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Why isn't there anything in the DMCA for stopping crawlers? They have stuff about requiring crawlers to follow attribution and whatnot, but nothing for not allowing crawlers in the first place. Stupid as shit.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I can get a 50Gb/s residential link where I am, and have a whole rack of servers.

Sounds like a good opportunity to crowd fund thousands and thousands of common scrapeable instances that have random poisoning.

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[–] vacuumflower 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If, suppose, I were optimistic over this technology, but pessimistic over its current stage of development, I'd expect this to be a cure. It's a problem they'll have to solve. A test they'll have to pass.

If somewhere inside those things someone makes a mechanism building a graph of syllogisms, no kind of poisoned input data will be able to hurt them.

So - this is a good thing, but when people say it's a rebellion, it's not.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A test they’ll have to pass.

This makes me chuckle, as they invented euphemisms like 'hallucinations' because their LLM models can't do what they promise. Fabulous marketing, but clearly they didn't do enough testing.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

as they invented euphemisms like ‘hallucinations’

Seems like a pretty accurate word to use, no? Could also use fabrication, concoction, phantom, or something else? I think "lie" and its synonyms are not accurate, since that requires intent. Since the LLM does not have intent, it cannot "lie".

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

That's why "bullshit," as defined by Harry Frankfurt, is so useful for describing LLMs.

A lie is a false statement that the speaker knows to be false. But bullshit is a statement made by a speaker who doesn't care if it's true or false.

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[–] Disillusionist@piefed.world 24 points 1 week ago

Not all problems may be cured immediately. Battles are rarely won with a single attack. A good thing is not the same as nothing.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Samsung and Anthropic published independently created data showing how little bad data it takes to effectively poison very large models. LLMs pretend to be complex, but they aren't, they'll not continue to improve at the initial rate we got used to seeing. Just ask OpenAI.

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[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"You're not opposing me. All you've done is create a problem that will stop me until I have it figured out." is the description of every struggle between opposing forces, so it's interesting that you disagree with that.

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[–] eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i would imagine companies would just filter it out

need some more clever way of hiding it or allow it to be self hosted so that it has various urls

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

If I am reading this correctly, anyone who wants to use this service can just configure their HTTP server to act as the man in the middle of the request, so that the crawler sees your URL but is retrieving poison fountain content from the poison fountain service.

If so, that means the crawlers wouldn't be able to filter by URL because the actual handler that responds to the HTTP request doesn't ever see the canonical URL of the poison fountain.

In other words, the handler is "self hosted" at its own URL while the stream itself comes from the same URL that the crawler never sees.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

So it would be effective at preventing your site from being used as training data.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago

With the amount of AI generated horseshit out there already, they've already pissed in the well.

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