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Greenland and Denmark unite against US advances before White House talks (www.theguardian.com)

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Greenland’s prime minister has said “we choose Denmark” before high-stakes talks at the White House as Donald Trump seeks to take control of the Arctic territory.

Amid rising tensions over the US president’s push, Jens-Frederik Nielsen on Tuesday told a joint press conference with his Danish counterpart, Mette Frederiksen, that the island would not be owned or governed by Washington.

“We are now facing a geopolitical crisis. If we have to choose between the US and Denmark here and now, we choose Denmark, Nato and the EU,” Nielsen said, adding that the island’s “goal and desire is peaceful dialogue, with a focus on cooperation”.Trump’s pursuit of the island was also a matter of “international law and our right to our own country”, he said.

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[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Calling it now. But, European politicians are so incredibly subservient to America. They will literally "give" Greenland to America before they dissolve NATO.

Or, America will just invade, and they'll basically treat it like it didn't happen. They'll condemn it on paper. Say things like "this really puts into question blah blah blah" but they'll literally take no material action against it. At best they have some meaningless vote in the UN about it that does nothing.

Europe is the equivalent of the Democratic party at this point. Just pointing at "bad thing" and going along with it entirely. All while trying to keep the "moral high ground".

You guys should be burning down your cities if America takes Greenland and Europe does nothing. Your politicians are cowards just like ours are. Don't expect them to do anything to resist.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think that's called "appeasement." It's worked great throughout history.

[–] BenjiRenji@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It upsets me so much, but this is how Switzerland survived WW2 unscathed. Of course many Swiss have the same reaction now with fascist America.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Switzerland wasn't as neutral as people think. They were the bank of the Nazis.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

I can't think of a single time that appeasement backfired!

Obviously /s

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Ah I see NATO subscribes to the Democratic playbook too.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Europe is the equivalent of the Democratic party at this point. Just pointing at “bad thing” and going along with it entirely. All while trying to keep the “moral high ground”.

You went too far here. Europe is weak (because it's divided, because EU was never meant to be "strong" and always relied on soft power, because it has to fight all the same enemies as US does) but it's definitely not on the same team as US. Like, not even close. So far EU is keeping the moral high ground for example by respecting it's citizens rights. Some member countries are worse then others but as a whole EU is still far away from becoming an autocratic hellhole the US is.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Chat control doesn't sound very much like respecting citizen's rights

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Oh shit, does that mean Europeans will get shot in the face now too? You know, to control their chatting. Like in the USA, if you say "I'm not mad at you", you get shot in the face.

Yeah, chat control is not great, but is FAR FAR FAR from what's happening in the Fascist States of America.

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

So true.

It's scary, it's like all the major developed civilizations are saying

"Look we're all spying on each other because we're definitely planning on fighting so you best either get out of our way or shut up about it."

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Yea but countries fight that here. Romania didn't agree for example.

In the US, if trump says something it happens, or ICE starts shooting civilians. That doesn't happen, at least in my country, as corrupt as it is.

States seem pretty fkin powerless in the US whereas in the EU we can still do whatever we want. We just ger kicked out if we cross the line.

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[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I meant it in terms of an insult. Not as them being actually equal. They're as subservient as the Democratic party is in terms of how their leadership bows to the interest of capital. And the interest of capital are aligned with the fascist leaders of America.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I think the generally unspoken hope is that democracy in the US is not completely fucked and that the transition to full-on fascism can still be reverted after Trump's political or physical death (both of which seem ever so close).

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

I would agree, were this of far flung 'allies' like Taiwan. Europe might have let that happen. But Greenland is firmly within Europe. Everyone knows the fallout from such an invasion.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You do realize that the US delegates so much of its arctic capabilities to the scandinavian countries in NATO that it would be a balanced fight at least in the beginning, right?

[–] kablez@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Given America's obvious advantages with the scale of its military resources, I thought that the fight would be easy too, but after thinking about it I'm not so sure. War is not simply a matter of having advanced weapons and lots of units.

Considering how retarded Trump's administration is and how demoralised the most professional and loyal military personnel are, combined with civil unrest domestically... I don't think Trump can execute a successful invasion of another country without losing everything. More competent administrations (barely more*) have started wars and it cost them dearly in the ballot box.

You can have the best jets and ships and missiles, but if the personnel operating them think you are a pedophile and a traitor, giving illegal orders through a compromised chain of command.. how effective do you think they will be in a theater of war?

Let's hope we never find out.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean you just need to look at all the wars the USA has lost against much weaker countries. Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, just to mention a few.

And the only wars they actually won in the more modern times were with the help of EU NATO allies.

They can't do shit on their own. They're only good at "strike and run away" operations, like the one in Venezuela.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

We can insult the regime without restoring to abelist slurs.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

How is that AT ALL relevant to what I said? Why are you discussing something that will literally never happen? The capitalist that own America also own Europe. That's why your politicians are such subservient losers just like ours are. They are owned by the same interests. They're just consolidating that ownership and making the lines clear. That's all the Greenland play is. It's to put your politicians in their place and ensuring they bend the knee to the fascist powers.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The capitalist that own America also own Europe.

Those same capitalists writing GDPR and Digital services act both in EU and US?

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Or, America will just invade, and they’ll basically treat it like it didn’t happen.

Just don't talk like you have a crystal ball, you people with your pseudointellectual cynicism have been very wrong before, multiple times.

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any US soldiers actually dumb or corrupt enough to follow orders to invade a NATO ally are illegal war criminals and should be shot on sight

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Any commanding officers who would comply and issue such orders should suffer whatever archaic military field punishments exist for outright treason.

[–] Hotznplotzn 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

According to PM Ulf Kristersson, Sweden is sending personnel from the Armed Forces to Greenland "at Denmark's request"

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Both Norway and Germany have pledged to send troops too

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

France as well, they are taking part of a "cold-weather exercise"

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It looks so dumb playing coy when the whole world knows what's up.

But whatever. At least they're vaguely standing together against the most blatant imperialism - now that European land is immediately threatened.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It looks so dumb playing coy when the whole world knows what's up.

It's really bizarre and stupid, and yet it might be one of the best tools for peace in the long run.

Both sides can pretend to ante up, can pretend to posture, can pretend to threaten, under the guise of heated talks and "training exercises"...and then can still have the chance to back down without losing face before any live-fire happens because nobody actually declared what was happening, was happening.

At least I hope this is kinda the case. Either way, it's infinitely more stupid than simply not picking fights with random territories. But what would I know?

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Currently confirmed Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, France, Finland, UK. Canada has apparently announced but it's not clear if it will be troops or diplomatic - I hope troops. Finally, Netherlands is possible but not fully confirmed.

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Canada have substantial combined Arctic warfare capability.

[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm standing with Greenland and Denmark.
Let USA go fuck themselves with Iran, the one they started and they will end bad.
Freedom to Iran yes, but not with USA in after.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Good. I mean, there is legitimate criticism of how Denmark has been treating Greenland, but this is way more important right now.

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