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Conservative women criticize women (feddit.dk)
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Some months ago a podcast was published titled "Did Women Ruin the Workplace?" where two conservative women discuss whether the influence of women is corrupting white collar working environments, mostly arguing that it is. An edited transcript was later published as a New York Times column.

This piece was shortly afterwards renamed to "Did Liberal Feminism Ruin the Workplace" to damage control as it proved excessively controversial.

Of course, right wingers did not appreciate their contribution and found them to be part of the problem they discuss.

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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I would argue that women ruined the economy by way of suddenly doubling the available workforce. That sort of thing has got to cause issues.

On the other hand, my education on the subject consists of one class that I'm pretty sure I failed.

Further, the alternative is for women to be unable to make their own way, and that is not acceptable.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We should just halve the length of the standard workweek. Everyone works 20 hours a week instead of only the men working 40 hours a week. That's fair.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And everyone gets less than half the pay, so then they need four or five "breadwinners" to have a place to sleep. Each will have three jobs so they can pay for food, taxes, and transportation. It's anybody's guess which adults are the parents of any one child in the domicile.

Brilliant!

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 month ago

Same minimum weekly pay.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I get what you're saying and agree but I'd maybe find a better way to phrase that lol

The response to this by business owners is really what ruined the economy. Women entering the workforce drastically increased the amount of available employees which allowed employers to pay less.

[–] stenAanden@feddit.dk 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That’s not how the economy works

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 month ago

Sure it is, it is supply and demand. Women entering the workforce increased the supply of workers while demand for labor didn't do up at the same rate.

For scarce family assets like housing, two income families fueled an asset boom, making housing less affordable.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like I said, I'm not exactly the most informed. I can just about handle supply and demand.

[–] stenAanden@feddit.dk 1 points 1 month ago

Assumptions like that is what makes bad economic theory. I have heard many people claim what you did but never have I seen any data.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah but . . we still own their bodies, right? Legally?

Cool. Cool.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The discussion video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkTglJuqq8U or https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=xkTglJuqq8U

Transcript: NYTimes gift article link or archive.ph

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Thank you for your service!

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They both can't explain wokeness. It was a long watch and there was maybe a moment or two I thought one of them would make a good point.

Neither spoke academically about oppression so I don't even get the feeling that they understand feminism.

Wokeness has to be one on the sorriest excuses for male failure.

To think the tables have turned and women now control everything leading to the world falling apart. We need men back so that they can oppress us just the way our foremothers liked it. /S

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

they probably chose the least informed "non-conservative women" so they can poke fun a them. its the same shtick jesse watter chooses ignorant people to have sound bites.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm a lifelong progressive/liberal, so don't assume anything about my personality from this politically incorrect comment.

There is a large number of women who actively dislike or disrespect men as a general rule.

There is a certain segment of feminism that isn't about equal rights and equal consideration, but instead feel superior and expect to be treated as such. Men are means to ends.

These women are never wrong, and are allergic to personal responsibility. Guaranteed some man was the reason for all their woes.

Some will actually destroy a man's career, family, and life if they feel slighted by that man. They also file false allegations to do so. Many men have been screwed over by angry or jealous women. We've seen it play out both in the news and in our personal lives.

Many women are wonderful people with good attitudes who take responsibility for themselves and are helpful and kind to others. But it's very difficult to figure out which one is which until you commit significant effort in a relationship, whether business or personal.

For the men out there, are you willing to risk your career and livelihood by being alone in a room with a woman at work (especially if you are a manager}?

Are you going to risk a visit from HR because you complimented a female peer in the office and she got "the ick", or perhaps because some other woman perceives favoritism?

[–] stenAanden@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah, man, don’t let that stuff bother you. Take statistics like fake sexual assault accusiations. They are less common than murder. This stuff is the least of your worries.

On a controversial note, I am convinced the powerful men who own the media drum up fake accusiations so hard because they shield their sex pest friends, and themselves. And because they enjoy having a servile class of people (women) they can freely abuse sexually and economically.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well perhaps you are correct, perhaps not. I think statistics might not match. I can speak for my own experiences.

First wife stole 100k, second accused me of abuse to seek full custody of our son and also break the prenup protecting a small amount of money I inherited before we met.

Both were abusive, but courts don't care if women abuse.

In both cases, the courts didn't really care that she lied or literally committed a crime. In fact, they compelled me to pay for her lawyer, apparently common practice.

Then there are a few women I knew who were very vocal about the evils of men in general and superiority of women. One was even a friend for a long time, surprisingly.

I agree that anecdotal evidence is not proof on a larger scale. Still, other men's described experiences match my own. Abuse statistics also contradict the public narrative.

[–] stenAanden@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am sorry for your situation.

But thinking like this doesn't help. Men still commit the majority of white collar crime.

Abuse statistics don't contradict the "public narrative". Most abuse is committed by men, especially the very harmful stuff. Men are also more likely to get custody. I don't trust that courts don't care if women abuse.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you kidding? Men are least likely to get custody. Abuse is 50/50. Here are the receipts. Took me 10 seconds with duckduckgo.

Please don't spread misinformation. Check your assumptions before stating them as fact.

Domestic Abuse Statistics

Research shows that one in three women is a victim of physical, emotional or verbal abuse from a dating partner. Although intimate partner violence impacts women of all ages, women ages 18 to 34 generally experience the highest rates. Men can also be victims of domestic violence. In fact, 48.8% of men have experienced psychological aggression, compared to 48.4% of women.

12 child custody statistics

Approximately 15,086,000 children under the age of 18 in the United States live exclusively with their mothers.

Approximately 3,054,000 children under the age of 18 in the United States live exclusively with their fathers.

[–] stenAanden@feddit.dk 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am not going delve very deep into this because it is not an area of my expertise but the little I know is how complex this issue is.

Domestic Abuse Statistics

That is specifically psychological aggression but the "one in three women" part links to another site that states that 36% of women vs 28% of men have experienced physical violence and stalking from an intimate partner. But that statistic is already more complex because much violence happens in self defense and a lot of violence from intimate partners is conflated with violence by family members.

12 child custody statistics

That's because fathers are less likely to sue for custody. And there are many special cases where father's are more likely to get custody.

I am out.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Kudos for pointing out the complexity of the situation. Also, many cases of physical abuse are both partners. Presumably on is responding to the other.

I am suspicious of the idea that men are less likely to seek custody. Is that for "sole custody" or 50% custody?

Speaking for myself, I fought hard for 50%, as I didn't want to deprive my son of his mother, but there are points I considered seeking full custody and did not pursue because I knew how infrequently men get any custody.

I bet other men do the same.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

You have named the man in this story but not the two women?