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This is what America is going to be like soon.
Not to sound selfish and overlook Iran's people... But it really feel like this it going to happen in USA.
It will. And our government will still pretend to care about Iranians' rights while doing the same shit to us.
Soon? We don’t even let our medical professionals treat the wounded. We’re leading the charge for fascism.
Right, but it hasn't happened at this scale yet
ICE:
Americans have guns.
It will be a lot harder to gun down their friends and families in the streets when they can fight back and shoot from the shadows.
Unfortunately, they aren't the only ones who have gone after medical personnel.
Behavior that must be condemned regardless of who is going it.
Israel just kills them and calls them terrorists then buries them and their vehicles in unmarked graves.
Me irl
Considering Trump warned the butcher in Rihad that he's bombing Iran soon, I'm highly skeptical of all of these news. Maybe they find some weapons of mass destruction being used against protesters...
I'll get downvoted for this but it needs to be said that Western media can't be trusted on it's reporting in Iran.
There is a major psyops campaign in Europe and the US to manufacture consent for regime change.
A sincere question: are you new to issues related to Iran? Do you not know beforehand what the regime convicts people of, and what the legal system currently looks like?
A bit of background:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
Hadd crimes are considered to be "claims against God", and they are punishable by a mandatory, fixed sentence that was laid down in the Koran and Hadith. They are very rarely applied in practice, because they require a high standard of proof and if the person is repentant or if there is any reasonable doubt, it may not be carried out. Two witnesses or a confession are required for a conviction. For sexual crimes, 4 witnesses are required.[citation needed]. Others forms of evidence (such as video evidence) are admitted for hadd punishment, except in cases of consensual sexual crimes. They are:
Waging war against God (moharebeh) and spreading corruption in Earth (mofsede-fel-arz): judge has option of 1) death penalty; 2) crucifixion for three days; 3) amputation of right hand and left foot; 4) exile/imprisonment
This crime is for somebody who used a weapon to strike fear and spread disorder, for example through armed robbery, kidnapping, terrorism/violent armed crimes, rape, and gang violence. This charge has been used in Iran as a political charge/treason/disrupting stability of Islamic Republic, and belonging to anti-regime opposition groups.
There is nothing new about an opposition supporter risking a death sentence through a "war against God" or "corruption on Earth" accusation.
Last I heard, a rapper called Tataloo (not sure if imprisoned or executed) was sentenced to death for "corruption on Earth". But I grew up in the decade when one could read news about Salman Rushdie fleeing abroad since grand ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini simply asked every Muslim to kill him if possible. For publishing poetry. This led to several people actually trying, and Rushie was stabbed last time in 2022. Also see: Satanic Verses controversy.
I hope this brief introduction of the justice system of Iran helps you assess the realism of various news. My last encounter with their justice system was a few months ago, when I helped raise money to pay blood money for a child bride, who had been sentenced to death for killing her violent husband. The death sentence was avoidable for rich people, but she was poor, so instead of walking free, it was foreseeable that she'd be hanged. So Iranians collected money to save her and succeeded. I'm not an Iranian and I just helped a bit, and my money wasn't needed in the end. But I kind of know what justice in Iran looks like.
You guys are both correct, btw... The person you replied to is not wrong for having healthy skepticism though.
Not sure what this has to do with the regime change psyops campaign?
How many regimes that America is allies with inflict human rights abuses on their people? Do you know what the Savak did under the Shah?
Do you know what justice looks like for Palestinians in israel? Which is feted by the West and given weapons to.commit a genocide. Funny how no one is talking about air strikes gainst them
I’d be interested to hear what your down-voters think that western media can be trusted on?
I'm not one of his downvoters, but I think he vastly overestimates the capability of a psyop to produce articles in The Guardian. These people know various ways of checking a claim, and they don't typically hurry, but lag behind other news outlets.
And I think he's not well informed about what life in Iran has been like since 1979.
As for manufacturing consent: Trump has shown well that he doesn't care about consent. It may eventually become a reason for his downfall, but rational arguments and credible evidence are not things the current US administration deals in.
As for the matter of whether military intervention could help someone in Iran, or help more than hurt - I don't know. Military interventions haven't previously revived the dead. If the majority of protersters were killed, they cannot be helped. If the majority went into hiding, they can be helped, but it may not work as intended.
There is also no reason to suspect Trump of genuinely wanting to help them. He has other motivations. If he was a humanitarian, he'd have ordered an immediate strike at Iran's government communications and unmanned weapons drops for protesters when the massacre was ongoing. He considered something and intelligence indicators were in the red, but did nothing.
If you do some background reading you will quickly realize Trump is effectly the Manchurian candidate for Netanyahu. Bankrolled by arch Zionists like the Adelsons. Since he came into office in 2016 he has been climbing the escalation ladder for regime change with Iran.
Even before then Bush II labeled Iran part of the "axis of evil" and primed for regime change after Iraq.
Look into Israeli and US policy papers like the Oded Plan (1982) the "Clean Break" (1996) and the Brookings Institute Paper "Which Path to Persia?" in 2009. These deal with the dismemberment of states in the Middle East along sectarian lines to strengthen Israel. The last one deals.explicitly with pathways to regime change in Iran.
If you dont understand the context you will only ever take these flashpoints at face value when they are being used to manufacture consent for wars of aggression.
They can be trusted to be stenographers for neocons, apparently.
I'm getting fed up with Lemmy. The Zionists and their bots have moved in en masse. Its the reason I left Reddit.
Its depressing seeing the pearl clutching liberals who sat through israels genocide suddenly becoming deeply concerned at a Mossad engineered insurrection.
The Jewish supremacists are right to laugh at us. We are sheep. https://youtu.be/dKie9MeE9rc
This reply got me curious and I browsed your history a bit, finding this gem:
These “protests” are a CIA Mossad collaboration. Down vote me all you want but it’s true.
I will now also downvote you, thank you very much.
Rebellions, near-revolutions and actual revolutions occur for various reasons around the world. If you suspect external manipulation as the primary cause every time, you will be wrong most of time.
If you suspect external manipulation as a contributing factor at some times, you may be right.
People have ability to organize on their own (sometimes poorly and with catastrophic defeat as a result). They can be dead wrong about their chances of success, or know their chances and try anyway.
The biggest external influence in this case appears to have been Trump's promise of stepping in to protect the protesters (their mistake: they may have believed him) and his claim that "help is on the way" when they were already practically supressed. These words cost many lives.
Israel is, of course, intensely interested in the future of Iran, as their most dangerous regional opponent. But Israel cannot force the government of Iran to make so bad economic decisions that traders on a market close their shops and riot.
Lol what a facile response. Even Pompeo was dumb enough to admit that Mossad was orchestrating these riots.
https://the307.substack.com/p/why-is-mike-pompeo-and-the-mossad
Iran has been under crippling economic sanctions since Trump.was first brought into the White House by Zionists like Adelson. Scott Bessent was bragging recently about how they've used "statecraft" to destroy their economy. Including shorting the Rial which was what sparked these protests in the first place before being subverted by CIA/Mossad
Why do you think Iran, the most sanctioned country on earth had 50,000 Starlink terminals in the country. More than Ukraine. I guess thats just a coincidence.
Believe what you want. You'll find out soon enough how you've been scammed into another quagmire in West Asia
how you’ve been scammed into another quagmire in West Asia
I love how you guess I'm American. :) Research my background to find the proper horse to look down from.
You're from a European vassal state of the US Empire. Congratulations.
Now try to determine my political allegiance. :)
You hate Russia and think America is the promised land.
Nope, do your research. You can only look down if you find a high enough horse.
Well in any case the regime change narrative has shifted back to nuclear weapons. Time to switch your program.
What has never been there, can't be switched.