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The Great Bailout©️
.world users are downvoting.
It's all they have because they lose in argument.
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Libs vs tankies is just another distraction by the owner class to keep us divided... so tired of these memes on lemmy....
We are all working class
There is no war but class war
Liberalism is the ideology of the ruling capitalist class, and supports their "freedom" to extract surplus value from wage workers.
It has many defenders (a few even among the working class!), just like feudalism / monarchism had some peasant-class defenders.
Anyways the class contradictions between workers and capitalists are irreconcilable, are there is no sense trying to "unite" with our exploiters and class enemies.
Liberalism as an ideology is in support of capitalism and the capitalist class. Trying to resist capitalism with a fundamentally capitalist ideology doesn’t work, we must resist it with socialist ideology and actual organization.
I think what the commenter above is trying to say is that they are getting tired of seeing Lemmy users pointing fingers at each other. Most of us are clearly passionate about FOSS and hate capitalism. Otherwise, why would we have joined Lemmy?
All these "tankies" and "libs" have lost all meaning. Many times, I've seen people simply make up shit from both sides about what libs/tankies think, and then just make fun of it. It's not productive.
I'm not talking about you. I think your replies are very reasonable. But I think I can relate to the commenter's feelings.
I do agree that often times people invent strawmen to argue against, but I also think it's important to recognize that those who use "tankie" as a pejorative are opposing those who support existing socialism, and those who use "lib" as a pejorative are opposing those whose words or actions are in service of the status quo.
A whole bunch of rules for thee but not for me and any law that can be paid off with a fine is just a law for poor people.
Libs politics are in support of capitalism. Put another way, those politics stand in the way of working class liberation. There isn't a compromise here, we have to drive out all the pro-capitalist notions in the minds of the working class.
Is this meme the propaganda for achieving that? Maybe not. But the sentiment that liberal politics are right wing is correct and you won't find a single socialist worth their salt who disagrees with that.
We will organize among working class people with backwards ideas and a lack of understanding at times, but we NEVER promote or work with liberal politicians or parties.
The libs work for the owner class.
US white liberals are not the working class, they are a labor aristocracy of petty bourgeois who exploit the global proletariat to subsidize their lives while enforcing the capitalist modes of production. The US empire and its vassal EU states are my enemy.
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I sort of agree with you but if liberals acknowledged and understood class alignment, they wouldn't be liberals. I do think that the "opportunity for education" approach is more effective than outright hostility.
I find that online interactions about complicated topics can be quite frustrating, since snark and "dunking" trend to prevail. This is driven by corporate social media and spills over into other online interactions.
