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Founding fondlers

Franklin would have, for sure, but I'm pretty sure the rest of them would have just kept raping their own slaves.

Not all. Pretty sure John Adams would not have been.

Hamilton and Jefferson would probably have written most of them though, about each other.

I get that a lot of this linked article is written to (correctly) change the narrative around slavery erasure but some of it delves into baseless hyperbole that can't be anything but counter productive.

For example:

Evidence suggests that sexual abuse of slaves was so fundamental to chattel slavery that it’s reasonable to assume any histories of “kind” slave owners are complete fabrications designed to preserve the legacy of the masters.

That is either playing fast and loose with wording or an absolutely incredible claim requiring incredible proof.

On one hand, the "kind" slave owner is always a fabrication because the act of owning slaves is inherently immoral and reprehensible. This view makes the claim a borderline platitude; perpetuating an institution that enables rapists is very obviously unkind.

On the latter interpretation, you're claiming that rape was so universal that any slave owner was almost certainly a rapist (especially if they claimed they weren't). This would require some sweeping evidence, think studies on the demographics of mixed race slaves or on medical records tied to sexual assaults.

So what evidence follows? Excerpts from Frederick Douglas giving second hand accounts of rape and of Harriet Jacobs giving her first hand account. Nothing that incriminates slave owners broadly beyond Douglas's phrasing "...in [rape] cases not a few,...".

I don't even deny that the evidence might exist, and I would love to see it brought to light if it does. But the thing about slavery, and specifically the USA's commercial cotton slavery: it's fucking awful enough if you just list verifiable facts without aggrandizing. Even if everything in this article were true, it doesn't move the needle much farther beyond the baseline of American slave ownership.

If you're going to broadly claim "America's founding fathers were sex traffickers that raped children" then please, name names! Bring receipts! You can't open with...

These facts are not debatable. [Child sex trafficking] happened.

...and then lay out a single link rehashing that Thomas Jefferson was a massive piece of shit. What do we know about the other 54+ Founding Fathers?

Especially Jefferson. Not Franklin though. Benjamin Franklin in a letter to a young man listed 8 reasons why an older mistress was preferable to a younger one.

AFAIK Ben Franklin preferred old women. And I mean old. Like over 70. Lots of letters to people telling them how widows are the best partners because they know what they're doing. And that they're more open to threesomes/foursomes.

Who is downvoting this? Legitimately.

In fact, it goes back all the way to Christopher Columbus: https://museumfacts.co.uk/atrocities-committed-by-christopher-columbus/

All European colonizers were child sex traffikers (among the rest of their crimes).

Maybe not Franklin. He’s on record as preferring older ladies.

Inb4 conservatives change from

"Mary was a teenager"

to

"The Founding Fathers were pedophiles too"