Went from Operation Paperclip to Operation Dumpsterfire.
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If I had some skill that was in demand, I'd definitely looking for a job offer from Europe.
Y’all got anymore of them migrations?
Advanced Grants — for established principal investigators — saw the greatest leap in US applications, with the number nearly quintupling from 23 to 114.
So 114 applications for one? It would be important to see the raw numbers because even 10x of 114 is miniscule.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d24/tables/dt24_315.20.asp
840k full-time professors at US universities. And Europe would probably get the lower tiers because why would a tenured US professor give up their tenure to move to Europe.
So article cites 114 for one grant. Let's assume 100x that, so 11,400 professors coming over. That's a little over 1% of professors
@reabsorbthelight an average full-time professor does not cover the requirements for an advanced grants. That's why an average full-time professor doesn't get several millions of funding.
If so, that would effect the statistics and shift the effect higher. For my understanding, could you estimate the effect of the grants and the extent of the drain?
I thought i heard about fascism brain-drain happening in the 1930s and early 1940s, although obviously that time they were LEAVING Europe to come to the United States...
... I wonder how much of America's delusions of "excellence" can be traced directly to so many of the smart people fleeing Hitler.
Perhaps the 21st century will take a shape that shall reflect how all the education, skill, and expertise fled Trump.
It is at least thematically appropriate that he's objectively such a moron that he literally repels intellect.
I'm American in Europe. I don't share the below opinions of Europe, just informing what I've seen
A lot of the American exceptionism is because we are only taught WW1/2 and Soviet occupation after. We are taught that Americans basically won WW2, which I've heard is inaccurate, but haven't cared to research. We are taught that the founding fathers wanted isolation from European wars. We are effectively taught that Europe is/has been endlessly in war and conflict.
Americans think Europeans are effectively Soviet occupied or extremely corrupt on the east. Western Europe is viewed as a vacation spot, and nothing more. If you put yourself in this mindset, you can see why Americans (on both sides) view NATO as a financial drain.
The reality is that most Americans (both sides) really just don't think or care about Europe at all, except for holiday. Europe is basically nice food and an archeology site to most Americans
It also happened after the war.
The us gov secretly brought over a couple thousand.
Many were known SS/Nazi.
US had to continue the fight against communists/marxists. That's what it was all about really, and the US has been carrying the Anti-leftist Nazi torch ever since.
only useful for scientists or MDs, anyone less(BS or MS) than that likely doesnt have a career in the field.
BS in engineering here
I left the US for the EU in 2024 and a lot of people in my field have done the same. Not uncommon in engineering even without a masters degree
"Advanced Grants — for established principal investigators — saw the greatest leap in US applications, with the number nearly quintupling from 23 to 114. The ERC does not routinely publish information on the nationalities of applicants, but Kieron Flanagan, a science-policy researcher at the University of Manchester, says that he suspects many of these senior researchers are Europe-born or Europe-trained, and are “opting to use the ERC grant as a mechanism to escape the US system”"
"The EC has budgeted €175 billion for the 10th Framework Programme, a follow-up to Horizon Europe starting in 2028. Eurodoc has called for a budget of €220 billion, Dengo says. “Without a substantial increase in funding, and with Europe-based researchers already facing intense competition, additional incoming mobility will inevitably further increase pressure on the system.”"
this what Chinese netizens were criticizing when the ccp was trying to lure some STEM professional from the states, they already dont have jobs and are mad that they are gifting foreigners.
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