When people overwhelmingly feel that their justice system has consistently failed to hold people accountable, vigilante "justice" will become more common. This isn't the result of some sort of moral degeneration in the general population, it's the result of increasing corruption and civil unrest. Trust in institutions has declined and continues to decline across the globe, and both of the incidents you mentioned are related to specific issues that people feel that their justice system is either incapable of or unwilling to adjudicate (fascism and genocide).

It's one of the great many things that feel good but are actually harmful.

It doesn't visibly rot your body like some drugs or drain your bank account like gambling, but it does chip away at society, further eroding the trust in law and order that was already eroded enough to inspire that vigilantism, creating a bit of a snowball.

The biggest downside to vigilantism is that clear, rational review of evidence takes a back seat to passion and manipulation, a good example of the extreme being the Salem Witch Trials; nobody actually did anything wrong, but many people were executed based off of vibes and rumor anyway.

All it takes is an accusation from a reputable member of the community and heads begin to roll.

What happens when someone does something morally wrong but legal? Like CEOs of large companies who profit from human misery or essential needs such at food,  shelter or healthcare ?

They are the ones steering these companies towards profits over human lives. Not only is it legal, it's part of the game. Even though it's morally wrong.

And what about media that corrupt minds, promote hate, and create division? What they're doing has a real impact on society and especially on marginalized groups. This can have important consequences on their lives. But it's all legal. 

I believe in such cases mob justice is justified until what these people are doing is recognized as a crime by the governments and justice systems. 

Mob justice is for when a jury of peers is impossible.

I think this is still a majority opinion, but a lot of people don't exactly apply it uniformly. Lemmy (and Piefed, for that matter) is a bubble with a certain percentage of people who only consider this to hold true for people they consider "good".

I've seen some, imo, very VERY deranged takes on here about who "deserves" or rather "lost" their human right privileges, be it police officers, politicians, or people who inherited or otherwise obtained a lot of money.

Is the fair trial in the room with us? Because i’ve not seem him in a really long time

Everyone SHOULD have the right to a fair trial i’m with that but that not how it work politician ? Nothing will happen to you, billionaires? Nothing will happen to you, far right? If the politician are also far right ( and most are now ) something might happen to you but the punishement will be a joke compare to the same crime commited by someone on the left or god forbid a non white person

Also and that might be education from family members who have actually fought them in ww2 but the only good fascist is a dead one

The more unstable society is, the more that kind of thing will happen. You can thank the billionaires and politicians.

I sometimes get the sense that mob justice is less about actual justice and more about the rush of being part of the mob and finding some meaning in belonging to it.

It's really not that different from piling onto someone for voicing a wrong opinion online - it's just further down the same spectrum.

Nobody wants to be the one getting piled on, but man, it's great to be in the pile with the rest of "my team." Not to mention being the one who sparks the pile in the first place. That'll make you feel powerful and validated like nothing else.

I recently heard (unverified) that a group of women (or possibly people posing as women) were using dating sites to get ICE members to send dic picks, then posting those along with their names and faces to a doxing website.

Fuck ICE and all, but that's revenge porn. Who is verifying any of this information is true anyways?

Mob justice is what fills the void when the state justice system fails. You can say what you want about the flaws of state justice systems, but boy mob justice seems a hell of a lot worse to me.

A lot of people's opinions on mob justice seems to fluctuate depending on whether they relate to the mob or the accused more. It's easy for me to point to the KKK lynching people and say that it's terrible. It was also easy to get caught up in the #MeToo movement believing it was justice, but... Accusing black men of rape was a common excuse for the KKK and other racists to lynch even young boys. Plenty of those accusations went nowhere in the criminal justice system because there just was not any evidence of wrongdoing (the Duke Lacrosse case, the Columbia Mattress Girl case, the Central Park 5, etc), and yet the men accused had their lives ruined anyways. You can argue that those are a tiny fraction of the accusations, but what percentage or amount of people's lives being ruined by false accusations is acceptable? How much power should any one individual have to make an accusation, convince a large group of people, and raise hell?

Heck, you could look at other examples. Just last year Collective Shout managed to pressure payment providers into pressuring Steam and other platforms to take down perfectly legal content. There's the classic scheme of governments using "protect the children" as an excuse to invade privacy, even going so far as to plant CSAM on people they don't like.

Even more minor stuff. I have friends who hate Neil Patrick Harris because he seems like a "mean gay" and because they're fans of Amy Winehouse. Apparently the year she died he and his husband threw a Halloween party, and it featured a charcuterie board of meat in the shape of her corpse. That's the only black mark I can find on Harris- he was confronted about it by vegans on twitter almost a decade after it happened and apologized for it, admitting it was in bad taste. I still don't even know if he ordered it, or his husband, or if a guest brought it- he seemed like he just wanted to move on from such a silly little thing. And also Amy Winehouse was famously a drug addict who was difficult to work with professionally and bragged about hitting her husband, so like... It's totally possible that Harris may have had legitimate reasons for disliking her that I don't know about. Humans are complicated creatures and I'm sure if anyone cared enough to dig up my history they could probably find things I've said and done that I don't agree with today. Some people might want to cancel me for not believing in their God.

The world is turning into a very dangerous place. There's all this talk about resistance, but I find myself more just drawn to survival. Trying to keep my head down and not be important enough for anyone to pay attention to. Even communities of people who I ideologically agree with often devolve into cults of personality or mobs. Arguably the biggest issue progressives have had (more in the US, but also globally) is their own infighting an purity testing, spurned on by right-wing astroturfing.

I would say that mob violence shouldn't be seen as any kind of "justice." It's not. It's violence from a vocal, active, and often not always fully representative group that wants emotional satisfaction over actual justice.

Apparently the French attack was committed by a group of anti-fascists in Lyon known for street violence, Jeuene Garde. The government banned them last year after they assaulted a teenager. I guess they are doing just fine.

Frankly, I recognized myself like from 5 years ago. Then I realized that not having mob justice is a privilege that society achieved for a few brief moments before cancelling it all together.

What I believe now is that we shouldn't pretend that it's something alien to us. It just so happens it's all everywhere: from Maduro to Sudan.

soo...

a far-right activist was beaten to death on camera

Bella ciao

Should? Absolutely. Does? Nope. Sprinkle some selective prosecution on top for a treat.

I agree with your ideal, but that ideal is far from being a real thing, and we're getting further away all the time. Adhering to that ideal means that criminals walk free and openly commit more crimes, creating more victims. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I didn't believe in laws or courts (which is too say I don't believe they have legitimate authority), and I don't believe in "rights". I believe people should be free. sometimes this means there will be angry mobs. but l would rather deal directly with my neighbors and community than have all our interactions mediated by illegitimate authority.