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Warships can be sent to the seabed, Leader warns in response to Trump’s threats (www.presstv.ir)
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The Leader of the Islamic Revolution has responded to repeated US military threats against Iran, saying that the weapons that can sink the American carriers are "more dangerous" than the warships.

“The American president [Donald Trump] repeatedly says that their military is the strongest in the world. The strongest military in the world, however, can sometimes be struck so hard that it cannot even get back on its feet,” Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei said on Tuesday while addressing thousands of people from East Azarbaijan Province.

“They keep saying, ‘We have sent an aircraft carrier toward Iran.’ Fine—an aircraft carrier is certainly a dangerous piece of equipment. But more dangerous than the carrier is the weapon capable of sending it to the bottom of the sea,” he added.

Trump’s remarks that Washington has been unable to eliminate the Islamic Republic for the past 47 years is “quite an admission,” Ayatollah Khamenei said.

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 49 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

ngl, it would be pretty hilarious if the US's Navy fleet just kinda disappeared over night. Like with enough planning, I don't doubt that it would be possible. I did some time in the USN many years ago, when I was much younger and slightly dumber, and I shit you not there was a fire on my ship AT LEAST every other day. These ships are not well maintained, all that MIC money isn't going to the crew or equipment maintenance. In many ways the military itself is run like a business, which means your infrastructure divisions are worried about balancing budgets and cutting costs as much as any private company.

Plus, back when 911 happened it always struck me how little came afterwards. My friends and I were expecting the weeks following to be filled with car bombs and attacks of the power infrastructure. Crickets. We're wholly unprepared for an enemy that would be willing to take the fight to us.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 32 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

We're wholly unprepared for an enemy that would be willing to take the fight to us.

A really good example of how much mayhem can be caused with minimal resources and just a little bit of effort are the DC Sniper attacks that happened early 2002.

[–] spudnik@hexbear.net 27 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Columbia_Eagle_incident

Speaking of minimal resources for maximum gains, I always liked this one. Two sailors successfully mutiny and divert a ship full of napalm away from the us war effort

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, I know about them! Had this saved for future sharing.

[–] spudnik@hexbear.net 16 points 4 weeks ago

Oh no way, that's wild! I had no idea he was still around to get interviewed like that

[–] FidelChadstro@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

Hell of a story

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 31 points 4 weeks ago

qin-shi-huangdi-fireball
Unlimited laundry ventilation fires upon the us navy

[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 28 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That's an interesting perspective, thanks for sharing that. That made me think of the fire that broke out on the Bonhomme Richard about five years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonhomme_Richard_(LHD-6)

Another thing on my mind is just how blissfully unaware the average member of the US public is about actual US Navy history. For instance, many people say, "The US has NEVER lost a carrier!" In reality, the Imperial Japanese Navy actually sank quite a few US carriers (of various types) during World War II...

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 23 points 4 weeks ago

That made me think of the fire that broke out on the Bonhomme Richard about five years ago.

Oh I missed that one. Too much going on in 2020.doomer

A Navy report published in 2021 lists numerous deficiencies in leadership, firefighting training, and equipment that contributed to the loss of the ship. In his 3 August endorsement of the report, United States Pacific Fleet commanding admiral Samuel Paparo characterized the crew as "unprepared" and their training and readiness as "deficient" while calling out "a lack of familiarity with requirements and procedural noncompliance at all levels of command." Navy fire safety protocols enacted after the 2012 loss of attack submarine USS Miami in a similar fire were not followed, and Bonhomme Richard's captain, executive officer, command master chief, and chief engineer were criticized for leadership failures that "directly led to the loss" of the ship.

That x Every Ship and Base out there.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Fires every day lmao the US navy is Barotrauma

Did you also have people in clown suits randomly re-wiring your engines

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 15 points 4 weeks ago

In many ways the military itself is run like a business

It's so funny to me that the neoliberal idea that "government is like a business, it should be run as such" has also infected the military. Lol, lmao, even.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 28 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember when they ran that wargame and Iran sunk a fuckload of Navy ships using small inflatable craft, so the US rewrote the wargame to ensure a NATO victory?

Cuz I sure do lol.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 27 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)
[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Key point:

Since the war game allowed for a ship-to-shore landing of ground troops at some unknown point during the 14 day exercise, and because their naval force was substantial, the Blue force was positioned on the shore-side of the region's active shipping lanes to keep them from impacting commerce during the exercise. This placed them near the Red shore rather than at a "standoff" distance.

The region being the Persian Gulf. So the US had their aircraft carrier and ships basically on the Iranian coastline. This is not representative of the current situation, the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier is about 700km from Iranian shores currently, and the the US is not going to attempt an amphibious landing. Iran is not going to launch a speedboat assault over 700km of open ocean. Iranian options are limited to long range anti ship cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. Long range kill chains are difficult.

If you look at it another way, the US learnt that you can't just sail through the Persian Gulf unopposed at the beginning of a conflict, due to the capabilities of Iranian short range anti ship missile swarms, and their speedboats, through this exercise. Though that is a massive waste of money and time to reveal the obvious. Hence restarting the exercise to ensure US victory under scripted conditions, so it doesn't appear to be a huge waste of money and time. The whole concept of such an exercise was inherently flawed based on incorrect assumptions of both US and Iranian military capabilities. A better exercise would have the US start further away and inch closer under air cover after airstrikes have already commenced, to test US left of launch defeat capabilities and if it's possible to sail a ship through the Persian Gulf or launch an amphibious assault if you hunt down the missile launchers and speedboats first. Or if such is always impossible without heavy losses given latent Iranian capabilities that survive initial airstrikes.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it was more recent.

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This is definitely what you're thinking of.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Perhaps. I'm old so it all just blends together when the last two decades have been non stop madness.

[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 24 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Sweetie, it's called revolutionary optimism, don't point out that Iran didn't manage to shoot down any manned aircraft in June, or that the houthis didn't sink a single coalition ship. We should instead look to the greatest revolutionaries, the boxer rebellion, who knew that those of pure heart are immune to bullets.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 25 points 4 weeks ago

that the houthis didn't sink a single coalition ship

You mean the guys who couldn't figure out why we don't have healthcare and sent our military running?

Poorest country in the world against a paper tiger, I'm sure the houthis will surrender any day now

[–] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 21 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Could at least bother to reply to the person your talking to? Or @ them or something idc.

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 14 points 4 weeks ago

I think it was a general sweetie

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 21 points 4 weeks ago

For a Western country, we can have a discussion, even if it's an angry one

For the global South, we send warships

This is why China makes friends in the global South easily

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

I topped up both fuel tanks. Are you ready?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 15 points 4 weeks ago

timmy-pray

[–] jarntotheelder@hexbear.net 13 points 4 weeks ago

I love the Iranian people. Too bad the MEK is such dogshit.