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[–] pcalau12i@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

They got the shortest end of the stick of imperialism. US carried out a genocide against Vietnam, Korea, and Laos. The Japanese also carried out a genocide against the Chinese. The Chinese people started to lose faith in the KMT when it was taken over by Chiang Kai-shek, who started to get close with Nazi Germany who was allied with the Japanese and started to implement fascist policies in China. There is a much greater understanding of the evils of imperialism.

Christianity, which is one of the main material institutions used to propagate reactionary dogma, is also a pretty insignificant material force in Asian countries. The Confucian cultural institutions are much more prevalent. This matters because liberalism just believes the government should protect "individual rights" then remain entirely hands-off. It is therefore not outcome-oriented. If this leads to a horrible society, well, so be it.

Confucianism is very outcome-oriented. It directly argues the purpose of the state should be public interests, to solve problems in society, to serve the public, etc. This is why the KMT fell out of favor. Chinese people thought it was silly that Chiang Kai-shek started to ban certain hairstyles and beat people who didn't have their hair cut to very specific lengths, when this did nothing to solve real problems in the country like mass hunger and poverty.

There is just, generally speaking, a much greater popularity in Asian countries for outcome-oriented politics. Western politics tends to be more moral-oriented. Take for example COVID-19. The USA did not have serious lockdowns because it would violate the moral principle of individual freedom, so sacrificing over a million people was deemed a worthy price to pay. The Chinese had serious lockdowns and saved the lives of millions, but they were condemned by westerners for doing so, many describing it as Orwellian 1984. Even though the outcome was better, western society is generally not outcome-oriented. The influence of Christianity promotes a good-vs-evil mentality, and so most people think in moralist terms.

The Asian communists also seem to have actually read Marx. A lot of "Marxists" seem to have never read Marx... and this sometimes even applies to those in socialist countries. Many self-proclaimed Marxists simply do not understand historical materialism and that the basis of political power ultimately rests in industry and the production process. Asian communists understood this and internalized it and thus realized if they want real independence as a country they need to develop their own industrial base, and if they want to really improve people's lives they need to focus on developing productivity.

Marxists outside of Asia have had more of a tendency to think in moralist terms. Socialism for them is more about moral principles, like liberalism's individual rights, but replaced by "collective rights." There was a movement like this in China temporarily, the Gang of Four, who implemented policies based on an abstract concept of socialist morality, and this led to economic chaos. When challenged on it, they claimed it was better to be poor than to sacrifice these moralist principles. This caused them to become viewed unfavorably and later ousted from power.

But that mentality was much more persistent outside of Asia, even in other socialist countries.

[–] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 5 points 22 hours ago

Wage struggle & rent stabilization just result in workers advocating for increased theft of labor hours from the global south/periphery/third world/low-income countries (call it whatever you want someone will get mad) in order to access the asset market via housing & retirements. This deal is closing out but people are more shortsighted than ever. Initially there was a miscalculation where capital flows between imperialist states were mistaken for outflows to periphery, but this was due to crude statistics + he don't have internet (no one did). Capital flows stop after the port, mine, & one shit railway, potentially sweatshop until the period where the financialization by industrialists in the west leads to Mexicanification so some light and increasingly heavier non-strategic industries in semi-peripheral states. Historically tho, India, China, & West Asia are where Shit Happened and everyone lived. Their development needn't be underpinned by theft of labor hours from... themselves. China's leg up has been mutualistic trade policies, infrastructure, protecting skilled labor capacity from sudden layoffs, strong education, balancing competition, channeling foreign investment into state-managed industries, list goes on. To understand why communism failed in the USSR I recommend Russia and the Long Transition from Capitalism to Socialism

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago

People have to feel like they have nothing to loose before they risk everything. The workers of europe and the rest of the west don't want to live in a place like Gaza and the empire teaches them that is what disobedience will get you.

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Our European comrades got careless and stopped purging so opportunists wormed their way in and dismantled the system from within.

Our Asian comrades have thankfully been far more vigilant.

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago

And were less dependent on the USSR.

[–] dazaroo@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 day ago

the most imperialised countries have revolutions first

[–] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 day ago

A theory I have as to why Marxism was able to take off in Asia is their strong reading and book culture, along of course with them getting the short stick of Imperialism.

[–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] ComradeCircuit@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Sorry, I accidently deleted my original post...

But I'm so grateful for your explanation.

[–] pcalau12i@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Lemmy has a problem where sometimes if you delete posts it sometimes still shows up in certain instances. Deleted a post one and later resposted it only to then realize people could now see both of them.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

Can't you undelete it if it was just accidental?