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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 minutes ago

Before even considering radiation damage, hopium $200/kg launch costs mean 15c/kwh electricity. The you add the cost of specialized panels and radiation emitters. At least 20x that of earthly systems.

[–] workgood@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 minutes ago

they are a great idea actually

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I feel like on part no one ever mentions on things like this are, how do you enforce any jurisdiction on a satellite and what it's doing.

The main crazy thing about a satellite data enter is you can't confiscate it and therefore you can't control it. Hell once it's up there the only thing any government might be able to do is find the owner and force them to crash it (if possible).

It in a sense sounds a bit like the wild west of the original internet. Admittedly Musk being at the forefront of it all sounds terrible, but I think there is something fascinating about an information hub that could be completely independent of any country.

[–] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 3 points 1 hour ago

Interestingly NASA had an idea of a plan that sounds at least technically possible, but it's a multi-decade operation and doesn't look anything like what the current startups are pitching. Of course you can have your data centers in space, why the fuck not, but a data center sits on top of a lot of boring old infrastructure which nobody's excited to talk about.

It's going to be prohibitive if you have to pay the gravity tax every time you want to move 1 ton of metal, so realistically this kind of high-tech project cannot even begin without having substantially industrialized the moon. Nothing fancy but you'll need at least some mining and refining, and solid trans-lunar logistics routes. Probably some housing for a bit of personnel too. At that point the space data center would be dwarfed by the size of its own support system.

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who designs and builds networks as a profession, I don't see this being a great idea. Maybe I just don't have all the facts.

I am leaning heavily on the example of M$ trying an underwater datacenter, which they decommissioned and have not pursued further. Put a node of compute somewhere and eventually it will become obsolete or unusable due to hardware failure. Not to mention the energy requirements and cooling needed in space. Waste heat does not just dissipate unless it has a heat sink, which adds more volume and mass to the payload!

[–] enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

Space ain’t happening.

I can see the point of underwater datacenters though, for some very specific use cases. Compute heavy workloads with high energy densities could possibly make sense to ”free cool” below water. DLC everything and pump the heat straight into the ocean.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

and cooling needed in space.

Turns out you can't cool something just by putting it in space because most heat transfers require convection, which requires a medium, say, air.... which is notably lacking in space.

Yeah, heat dissipation is surprisingly difficult in space, because the only real way to do it is via radiation. And radiation is one of the least effective methods of dissipating heat.

The vast majority of heat transfer on earth happens via physical contact, in the form of fluids or solids touching each other. That’s what a heat sink is for. It increases surface area, so more fluid (air) can touch it and carry heat away. But without some sort of fluid contact, a heat sink isn’t going to help much. It’ll act as a radiator, but the cooling efficiency will only be a fraction of what is achieved via traditional forced air cooling.

[–] Krunchiebro@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The real issue with space-based data centers isn't just whether they’re a "bad idea" from an engineering perspective; it’s that they represent the ultimate transition toward a vertically integrated, unregulated monopoly. While everyone is focused on the technical hurdles, we need to look at who actually benefits from this shift. For someone like Elon Musk, this isn't just a project—it's a way to own the entire global internet stack. Because he owns the "truck" (SpaceX) and the "road" (Starlink), he can launch and link these data centers essentially for free. This creates a market that is so tightly locked into one ecosystem that it can never be challenged by a terrestrial competitor.

​From a purely operational standpoint, space turns every earthly liability into a superpower. Data centers on the ground are a nightmare of land taxes, massive water consumption for cooling, and constant strain on local power grids. In orbit, those costs vanish. Heat is radiated into the vacuum for free, and solar power is available 24/7 without weather or night cycles getting in the way. Even the physical security is inherently top-notch because the hardware is literally unreachable. When you combine that with a mesh network like Starlink, the need for laying fiber lines disappears entirely. The user just needs an antenna, and the "gatekeeper" handles everything else in the sky.

​The terrifying downside is that this creates a jurisdictional black hole. If a server is orbiting 500km above the Earth, whose laws actually apply to the data stored on it? We’re talking about a "gated community" where the ownership, pricing, surveillance policies, and privacy standards are all controlled by a single entity with zero competition or government oversight.

Once we stop building ground infrastructure and rely solely on the "space cloud," we lose all leverage. It’s an engineering miracle for the person who owns it, but it’s a democratic nightmare for the rest of us. It’s not just a bad idea; it’s the construction of a digital kingdom that sits physically and legally beyond our reach.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 hours ago

Heat is radiated into the vacuum for free,

Is it though?

[–] Krunchiebro@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (3 children)
[–] tedach@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Pardon my potential ignorance, but I'm under the assumption that radiating heat in vacuum is NOT easy. Normally, heat escapes from sources into the surrounding atmosphere, whereas in space, only radiant heat (IR?) can bleed off into vacuum. The conductive heat from, say, a cycling loop of water still needs a radiator that vents into surrounding volume. Without atmosphere, radiators can't conduct efficiently, right?

Please set me straight if possible.

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

I'm no expert, but this is my understanding as well.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Krunchiebro@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Your thoughts were really well written. I'm glad you took the time to explain your viewpoints organically instead of taking an easy way out to avoid having to do it yourself.

How about this for what my post was trying to say....

It's a good idea to the person who can pull it off. It will be highly profitable and they will monopolize that ecosystem. For the rest of us, if this were ever to become adopted wide spread, it has the potential to make something that normal people can no longer compete with and can't easily avoid (assuming it is significantly subsidized initially to offset cost and get users to adopt it)

I'm no expert, but I feel like a data center in space is a super niche use case. Bandwidth seems like it would be a major issue. Heat seems like it would as well. And as you said, jurisdiction would be a problem that many businesses wouldn't necessarily want to contend with.

While the devices are difficult to get to physically, should an adversarial state actor send something up, it's not like we could stop them from accessing the devices in a way we could if they were within the borders of a country. They're harder to reach for smaller adversaries, and significantly easier for bigger ones. Not to mention significantly harder for us to repair if something goes wrong.

I'm not saying data centers in space are a bad idea in general, but I am not seeing a huge benefit to them right now.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

LOL don't worry, like all the Space Nutter fantasies from the 1950s onwards, they are wildly impractical and will never, ever happen.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

But the dads that never loved them are dying, this is their last chance to try to earn that love by recreating the sci fi fever dreams of the 1950s.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

Of course they are, same with undersea data centers (for different reasons).

But it doesn't matter. In the late-stage capitalism we find ourselves in, you don't need a real product, nor a promising prototype. You don't even need a good idea, you just need the promise that you'll come up with a good idea soon. That's enough to get the investors drooling, the shareholders hyped, and the gullible idiots engaged.

And you only have to maintain that long enough to pay yourself and your insiders some fat checks. Then when inevitably, reality barges in and people start to realize it was all bullshit and pipe dreams, you've already cashed out. If your PR team is good, the media and your sycophantic fans will praise you as a visionary who was simply, "ahead of their time." And you can go on to rip off more people.

It's basically Patreon scams but with billions of dollars.

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Interesting. So the "post-truth era" isn't just for the masses, but the rich as well, as they cannibalise each other.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

It doesn’t matter.

It’s a fantasy in billionaire's heads, a self-perpetuating meme, and no one is telling them no. So they’re going to fund it, whether it makes any sense or not.

Reality doesn’t really matter anymore.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 5 points 5 hours ago

I wish them the same success that the metaverse once had.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

By the time you launched and assembled one in orbit their hardware would already be outdated. Sounds like a great plan!

[–] mech@feddit.org 75 points 10 hours ago (18 children)

They're a great idea if you happen to own a company making AI, a company making rockets, and a company controlling public opinion.

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