"I don't know why everyone is saying dbzer0 is in bed with tankies!"
TankieJerk
Dunking on Tankies from a leftist, anti-capitalist perspective.
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If you let tankies into your bar, you'll have a tankie bar!
As time passes I become increasingly convinced that dbzer0 is a tankie instance. I wonder if I'll receive any notification that My posts are removed if these people remove them. We don't federate .ml
Not that I'm a hugely active community member, but I haven't noticed a lot of tanks around. Certainly more left unity than other instances, but we do have a vote to defed from hexbear every three months it seems like.
I'm seeing dbzer0 lose the information war to ml and adopt more tankie stances on issues over time.
Db0 is federated with Hexbear? The owner of Blahaj tried to stay federated with them due to the large trans community there but eventually had to put it to a vote and defederated because their users were harassing and brigading Blahaj users on our own instance for not being "socialist" enough. Then Hexbear played the victim card after the fact and claimed that it was Blahaj users who were harassing their trans community.
I've noticed more as time goes on, but it's because -bear and -grad are spreading to (mostly .ml) other instances to evangelise to those who attempt to block their horse shit. We're not largely defederated yet so we're a target for that expansion.
They're very draconic about not criticizing genAI. I don't know if they're tankies per se, but they're definitely authoritarian about people that disagree with them.
Considering the fediverse has like 3 topics they talk about and the one that is spammed for the most upvotes is purity testing how much someone hates AI, I think it's fair to shut it up in a place that publicly stated they are pro-AI.
I have personally had very negative experiences with half of the people on that mod list.
Enshittification of db0 continues I see.
I lost all respect for the place when I saw that they're openly supporting GenAI right in the instance info and have communities dedicated to all the big models stealing the work of artists. The "anarchist" instance is pro Corporatism so long as they're the ones benefiting from it? Yikes.
I'm honestly kinda surprised that there isn't more of a Republican influence over there.
Why would they in the fuck use Gen AI in a "leftist" server
If you ask them they delete the discussion, so who knows.
I like how they responded to my "may I give you some more reasons why using AI is bad" with "no you may not" and removing my comment.
They got one whiff of power as admins and moderators and became authoritarians.
Turns out the "anarchist" and "capitalist" are more similar than they'd like to admit--they speak of freedoms while motivated by self-interest alone, and they see fruits of other people's labor and creativity as something that they are entitled to exploit for their own gain.
They'd be just as happy to steal wages as they are to steal art if they were in the position to do so.
Fuk Hexbear users.
Could have told you that months ago.
Yep, it might as well be a hexbear comm at this point.
So is c/anarchism lol, anarchism with some autocrats is acceptable there.
Did we defed hexbear though? I thought we still federated with those losers.
Db0 Admins be like
Sacrebleu, Nien , of course we French are not Nazis. This is a proud Vitchy France Instance!
OwO notices your lack of ML.
/S
That explains all the communism posts.
Lefty memes in my leftymemes community??? Say it ain't so!!!!
Communists murder every other leftist the moment they get into power they don't belong in leftist communities.
Wasn’t the admin already sucking ml dick before? How is this surprising?
One of them at least. Not the guy db0 themselves afaik but there's others.
Goddamnit I really don't want to have to switch instances again
Same here.
Note to the commenters here: This is a single comm, not the instance. We have plenty of anti-tankie comms as well, like !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com !tankiejerk@lemmy.dbzer0.com. That comm tries misguidedly to enforce left-unity, which is why it's always ending up in drama like that.
Note to the commenters here: This is a single comm, not the instance. We have plenty of anti-tankie comms as well....
Interestingly the "not the instance" argument didn't apply when you guys voted to defed from feddit.org last month.
So by your own community's standards it is absolutely the whole instance.
That comm tries misguidedly to enforce left-unity, which is why it's always ending up in drama like that.
It's not misguided. It's intentionally using the paradox of tolerance to open a space for the hexbear crowd.
We have plenty of anti-tankie comms as well
Leftymemes, nominally, is also supposed to have that stance. It's the first line in the description. You'd never know it by the people that post there, the content they post, or the mods they answer to.
This is a single comm, not the instance.
You don't have a Nazi bar. The Nazis are just making a lot of noise, being belligerent to non-Nazis, and inviting more and more of their friends.
Mhm, equating online tankies to nazis is sure something...
'ol Puggy banned you for calling out his bad faith while using evidence that contradicts him. Surely he hasn't done that before, and won't again.
As is pretending to not understand the Nazi bar analogy.
Ye It has as much impact as telling us we're risking making it a "liberal bar". It's just ridiculous.
Yeah, their flags are totally different.
Mate, even you instinctively know the difference. What would you fear most, a gathering of nazis or a gathering of communists. If you had to walk through one of them to get away, which would you choose? Tankies out of state power are harmless. In fact their criticisms of capitalism and their takes on social justice tend to be on point.
I'd fear both because both would want to execute me for either not being pure enough, for supporting a different ideology or just plain for being queer (don't tell me MLs are queer friendly because my real life experiences of being physically attacked by MLs for being queer tells me they are not).
You also have mods draconically ban any constructive conversation arguing that genAI is bad in LeftyMemes and undoubtedly other communities.
We have an instance-wide rule about that which has been voted in by the community. It's not draconian, we just don't want every post in our instance comms to become a salt mine with genai haters
I got perma-banned from there for saying that them crossposting "memes" from Hexbear at least made it easy to spot the Left MAGAts.
What's a left MAGA? Just asking because I know ofc you got the term for right-wing Democrats, but I'm guessing this term relates to the overlaps in traditional ML thought and fascism?
I prefer blue maga, but it's someone who thinks the world can made great by the liberal side of the American binary system. Despite the fact that civil "rights" which were fought for have been systemically torn apart by a ratchet effect and a forever shifting Overton window that the democratic party has been explicitly engaging in.
They think the DNC can be trusted, that the system is not broken, and that change can be created from within the DNC/RNC monopoly by working with it. Not that we are a near fully-captured oligarchy with low education masses that are easily manipulated by media propoganda.
I was meaning the ML stuff, but yeah I know blue MAGA, but it's not just that blue MAGA are just dumb liberals, but blue MAGA is specifically the policy of Democrats to create a Bill Clinton 2.0 that adopts most meaningful policies of Trump (the anti trans and imperialist fascist policies like supporting slaughtering of foreign born brown people, criminalizing transness inherently, the increase in surveillance and authoritarian policy like ID scans and using Palantir/Flock, being dark woke without being woke at all, so on so on) and pretends it's different because a Democrat is doing it. It's the classic "Democrats can do Republican policy better" stupidity.
Unruffled was already fucking the instance up months ago and is the main reason I blocked it.
That sub has always been run by Hexbear and .ml alts. If you paid enough attention to usernames you'd recognize most of the ones you didn't circle. Therapy Gary is the only one on that list that isn't a ban happy jackass in my experience.
... And y'all really have a hard time wrapping your heads around the idea of letting people run their little communities the way they want to. Wonder why.
