To you know if wechat or alipay work? I need these while traveling. They use QR codes for payment and other services. I wish this took off everywhere as nfc payments are locked into only a few apps.
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They do work, might have to adjust permissions a bit tho.
Use a separate phone for them. The Chinese state can not be trusted.
Neither can the US. It would be nigh impossible to avoid all apps from both countries. Luckily Graphene solves this problem through OS hardening and sandboxed profiles. The Chinese don't have some kind of special magic to defeat those measures. This is why Graphene exists IMO
You can harden all you want. If they physically get access to the device, you might as well run around naked.
Both the US and Chinese state can not be trusted. And throw in Russia as well.
All of them are police states at this point.
We were talking about having apps installed, not physical access to the device. That's a huge difference.
The argument still falls apart even if you do move the goalposts to physical access.
If an attacker gets the device, they will need you to not be able to trigger a lockdown/wipe as they pry it out of your hands. If you can't do that, they will still need your encryption key. Hopefully the device is locked with a strong passcode, and not your face/fingerprint/4-digit birthday. It would be pretty silly for someone to be running GrapheneOS and not do that.
If all those safeguards fail, you're either very stupid or incredibly unlucky. Regardless, it's much easier with GrapheneOS than with stock Android to ensure the device becomes worthless in a physical access scenario.
China, the CPC and Xi are a million times more trustworthy than the Trump regime.
I really wanna switch to e/os or graphene (especially on Motorola), but in Denmark you need MitID to live in society and it only works on Android and iOS 😭
Both e/os and graphene are android
Yeah sorry, should've said Google Play signed app instead
Wait. In Denmark you are forced to either buy an iPhone or an Android for this "MitID" app!? Is that app mandatory? Is it developed by the government? If so, then being forced to buy one of these phones seems very wrong.
What is MitID and what can it be used for?
MitID is a digital ID that is used to access Danish public self-service solutions.
MitID can e.g. be used if you have to apply for an education in Denmark, access your pension information in a Danish pension fund, or if you have been under treatment at a hospital in Denmark and you want to access your journal information.
MitID is primarily an app for smartphones and tablets. With one swipe, you can log in and confirm an action online, for example if you need to transfer money in your online bank or view your tax information in Denmark. You can easily use the MitID app, even if you haven’t used the NemID app before.
The High Commissioners office recommends that citizens who use the MitID app have more than one MitID authenticator. It is a good idea to have MitID installed on more than one device, for example on your smart phone and on your tablet. That way you always have one in reserve, and you will be able to approve transactions with MitID, even if you should lose your phone.
Learn how to use the MitID app by clicking here.
**Alternatives to the app
There are three alternatives to the MitID app: A MitID code display, a MitID audio code reader and a MitID chip. If you cannot use the app, the MitID code display will be a good alternative, while the MitID audio code reader is intended for people with impaired vision. The MitID chip is for those who need to approve and log on with MitID many times daily, e.g. in work-related contexts.
The MitID authenticators can be ordered at MitID.dk and sent to you. The MitID code displays and MitID audio code readers can also be issued at the High Commissioners office.
Once you have received your authenticator, it must be activated before use. **MitID code display
The code display is a small electronic device that displays a one-time password code. Enter the one-time password code, when you log on to confirm your MitID.
Learn how to use the MitID code display by clicking here. **MitID audio code reader
The audio code reader is intended for people with impaired vision. The audio code reader will read the one-time password code out loud and display the code on the screen of the device. Enter the one-time password code, when you log on to confirm your MitID.
Learn how to use the MitID audio code reader by reading here. **MitID Chip
The MitID chip is a small electronic device equipped with a button that you press when you need to approve and log on with MitID.
Learn how to use the MitID Chip by clicking here.
Well graphene is Android, could give it a try. Or maybe have a separate phone
I have a "kodeviser" device, works for all MitID purposes.
A draft of a draft of a plan that I just thought of right now.
I might just have to carry two phones lol. One is a small cheap phone just for all those pesky financial and governmental apps, and one main phone with graphene.
It rubs me the wrong way to have to resort to a burner like trash device with less scope/(security) features to handle the most sensitive things.
How about we force everyone to do all that only on Linux instead of Windows when on a desktop? Fuck this infra.
Yeah I've been thinking of doing the same thing, but I don't want such a device even near my main phone without a way to airgap it (and be sure that it actually is)
Your country has sold you to american companies
Does Android Auto still not work?
I used it on Graphene for a week or two back in Sept. That was in the EU and if I recall correctly I used wired Android Auto, so I'm not sure about wireless. It worked well. Car was a Skoda.
I started with graphene a few months ago and it worked from the beginning just following the instructions on the phone to enable it. That said I do recall aention of extra permissions for Bluetooth android auto, which I didn't want. My car doesn't support it over Bluetooth anyway so didn't matter to me, but you may be interested in looking that up (I don't recall the specifics).
IIRC AA leverages Bluetooth to avoid audio conflicts and to further verify you're connected to the correct vehicle. Some setups use it to know when to power up/power down the vehicle's AA hardware. (At least, I have a dongle that does this, because the car is stupid and allows power to be drawn over its USB port when everything else is off.)
It's optional and not really needed.
Sounds awesome, thank you. I tried it years ago and I'm pretty sure at that point they just said there's no support for it. It was the main holdout for me, never cared about the nfc payments really, so I'm excited to try it out again
It's been working fine for me for months.
That's great to hear, I think I'm jumping back to graphene
I've been on Graphene for a year and have never had trouble with Android Auto.
I'm glad to have found the banking app compatibility list from her FAQ and see that a few of the big banks in my country is proven working. This gives me hope of jumping ship from my S24U.
I couldn't have predicted how much shittier Samsung was going to be when I weighed the S24U vs the Pixel 9/10 (the 10 was newer at the time of research thus expensive), as I put a lot of weight on the stylus the S24U have. Had I known that samsung were to
- Disallow bootloader unlock
- And soon in their android 17 update, close off fastboot functions IIRC (please correct me)
I would have bit the bullet getting the pixel 9 and installed graphene. I also got spooked off by overheating issues in hot climate countries and network issues. And in hindsight I think I would have been fine with the theoretical lower performance of the tensor chip vs the snapdragon in my S24U.
I also wished this FAQ existed sooner / researched more properly regarding app compatibility on graphene, so this is wholly my mistake
Cest la vie
I'll do better next chance I get.
I have GOS on a pixel8a and my solution to the banking apps was to make a browser bookmark on my homescreen that goes straight to the bank mobile login site . it feels just like the app...except I can't deposit checks via the camera.
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