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[-] darq@kbin.social 181 points 9 months ago

Remember, we know how to address many of the world's problems, including poverty, homelessness, and climate change.

But those with capital in society choose not to.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 51 points 9 months ago

Those with capital choose not to

Those with capital profit off of not doing so.

[-] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Like the one recent CEO saying the quiet part aloud by saying government should promote higher unemployment, since in the high employment environment employees aren't desperate and have more demands costing him money. That employees arent feeling enough pain and despair in economy.

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 months ago

To be fair, this isn't that far away from the economic theory underlying using interest rates to manage inflation - it's just phrased in a different way.

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[-] SevFTW@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

I recently heard it phrased like this:

Capitalism is built on hierarchy, which means someone fundamentally NEEDS to be at the bottom. There is no way around it, someone needs to suffer.

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[-] Aidinthel@reddthat.com 144 points 9 months ago

Every single study on UBI finds that it is a good idea that benefits both the recipients and society as a whole, but because it contradicts the dominant ideology it can't be allowed to happen.

[-] hamster@kbin.social 80 points 9 months ago

If people aren't forced to work to live then how can I get cheap labor for my shitty business that my dad gave me?

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 38 points 9 months ago

If people have UBI, you can get away with paying less though. That's how walmart does it; just encourage your workers to get welfare so they stay alive enough to work more

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[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago
[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 17 points 9 months ago

Which we all know would happen IMMEDIATELY in lockstep with any widespread rollout of UBI, and any complaint would be met with half the country screeching "FREE MARKET REEEEEE"

[-] undercrust@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 months ago

Guess we better institute rent controls first then

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 9 months ago

Shut up baby I know it

Too bad 80% of the country would call us commies for suggesting it.

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 27 points 9 months ago

How can a society built on capital work towards the betterment of society rather than the accretion of capital?

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There was a UBI experiment in canada that was a huge success and of course the tories axed it as soon as they had the chance. Conservatives need to [extremely long bleep] ... [yeah still bleeping] ... ... [still going] ... [leeeeep] -yeah i'm going to have to redact this in post.

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 54 points 9 months ago
[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

UBI is socialism? Without any price caps on goods and services it just gives capitalists another excuse to raise prices.

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[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago

That isnt socialism, the proletariat doesn't control the means of production.

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

Love too go down to the government store and order an extra large socialism

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 38 points 9 months ago

Rent is only high because of artificial scarcity of real estate. The scarcity only exists because building new housing is decided neither by supply and demand nor central government planning, but by the people who accumulate more capital if housing isn't built.

[-] lastinsaneman@lemmy.wtf 15 points 9 months ago

We really need to push for the feds to step in and start constructing government housing against the will of the NIMBYs and local and state governments then.

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[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 38 points 9 months ago

1K a month is pretty trivial compared to the cost of all the public money used to punish them (e.g cops). Even if you don't care about the humanity aspect at all UBI makes sense just from a pure numbers perspective.

[-] hamster@kbin.social 18 points 9 months ago

But think of all the money prisons will lose!

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[-] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 22 points 9 months ago

OK, so you're telling me that giving money to people who need it, is better than giving it to rich people?

I am Wage Slaves inner shocked pikachu. Same thing, just more sarcastic and massive eye brows.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

The cruelty is the point, so this isn't likely to be expanded. capitalist-laugh

[-] berrytopylus@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

To be clear here, while they advocate for UBI this isn't really a study on the topic as much as it is on direct cash payments to the homeless. Which has been supported by tons of different research in Canada, London, so many places I can't even remember them all.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago

People without money mostly need money.

Somehow this is surprising and confusing... primarily to people who cannot imagine change.

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Those damn homeless and injuns get EVERYTHING for free"

-my racist and jaded ass coworker

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Wow.

Can’t wait for this to never roll out nationwide at the Federal level.

[-] iByteABit@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

I'd love to show this to people who say "but lazy people will be getting paid for nothing" or "competition is human nature" that capitalists made the fuck up, but it'll probably go over their heads, or they'll conveniently say that the test was not done properly

[-] TheyKeepOnRising@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I think my biggest problem with these tests (not the idea of UBI) is that they go entirely based on what the recipients say. There's not really any indication that fact checking is done to confirm they actually are living somewhere now, or they did get their cars fixed, etc.

I'm confident that the money helped, because obviously it would, but I wish we could get some actual solid data on how much it helped. The cynic in me believes that desperate people getting 1000$/mo will embellish how much it helps in order to keep getting the money, when in reality they need 1500$ or 2000$ to afford housing in Denver.

[-] usrtrv@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

I'm not sure what definition of UBI you're using, but not all forms of UBI need to cover the entirety of living expenses. UBI is just having income without strings attached. This very study is showing that even small amounts of money can help people get out of shitty situations.

Also as someone who lives in Dever, it's not that expensive. Sure $1500+ is what you'll pay around LoDo, but there are plenty of cheaper places.

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[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

the Pew Charitable Trust wrote in a recent analysis that research had "consistently found that homelessness in an area is driven by housing costs."

Well, yeah, and we can thank investors, landlords and capital funds for that. Housing in Denver is ridiculously expensive currently... and it was bad but not to this extent a few years ago. A house next door to me that was $250k and $1000 a month a few years ago is now $450 and $2100 a month.

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