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[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

If corporations are people, then why can't Facebook go to jail?

Money.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh no, "child protection" was never about protecting children? I am shocked, shocked

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Yeah, so I'm holding off celebrating this "historic win" for protecting the children.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Putting this in fixed-width for scale:

This ruling:                        375,000,000
Meta valuation:               1,618,000,000,000

This isn't even a slap on the wrist; it's a fucking rounding error.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago

Phrased in another way, it's equivalent to if you had $1,618 in the bank and were fined $0.30.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago

Super small compared to their income, but a GREAT reason to make all the users age validate.

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[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

The New Mexico court heard how Meta’s 2023 decision to encrypt Facebook Messenger – its direct messaging platform, which predators have used as a tool to groom minors and exchange child abuse imagery – blocked access to crucial evidence of these crimes.

Encryption! These monsters!

In the next phase of the legal proceedings, due to begin on 4 May, the attorney general’s office will seek additional financial penalties and court-mandated changes to Meta’s platforms that “offer stronger protections for children”, said Torrez.

The design feature changes the state is seeking include “enacting effective age verification, removing predators from the platform, and protecting minors from encrypted communications that shield bad actors”.

And when that happens, the headline lemmings here will call it enshittification and call for even harsher rules.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (5 children)

jury finds firm misled consumers over safety and enabled harm against users

If I do something like this, I go to jail

WHY THE FUCK IS ZUCKERBERG NOT IN JAIL?

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because limited liability corporations were created to avert liability from individuals. His firm is liable, but no single individual within it.

Not even the ones making the executive decisions, despite their near-monarchic power. I guess since they're appointed by a board of directors, it's something like an electoral monarchy, except the board isn't democratically elected so it's a plutocracy by proxy. The ultimate culprit would be - and this is a chorus you've probably heard a thousand times on here - the shareholders, and going after them is hard. Particularly when the shareholders are themselves corporations...

But the CEO is the pin focusing shareholder intent down into decisions and ultimately action. If they were effectively held responsible for their decisions, it would at least provide some counterbalance to the shareholders' demands. It could also solve the "shareholders are corporations" issue, since you could make the CEOs of those companies liable for demanding illegal measures from companies they control.

Of course, such a drastic change would be hard to actually push through, as things stand, since it would inhibit (illegal) profit and growth and "the economy" is a sacred cow. It's still worth pushing for, in my opinion, but building awareness and support takes patience and tact to avoid pushing people into political apathy.

The alternative I could see (and would prefer, but suspect to be even less attainable) is to dismantle the stock and capital system entirely. What you'd replace it with is a whole separate debate I won't cover in this comment. Drastic systemic change is difficult to plan and enact, and building and maintaining the new system is difficult in the face of insecurities, old habits, unforeseen challenges that it may not yet have developed effective ways to deal with and generally all the growing pains that come with new things.

They're not mutually exclusive, and the first may be a step on the road to the second. Either way, public support is key, and that is rarely won quickly.

[–] polderprutser@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I get the meme, but it's kinda dumb. This is a website where you're free to just not read my comment, if you don't wanna engage with the topic, not a captive audience like a retail employee.

[–] polderprutser@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was just highlighting the juxtaposition in length and depth between the two comments by dropping a dumb meme one level deeper. I get that might come across as not taking this seriously, and I do apologise for that. 🙇🏼‍♂️

I genuinely value your post. It makes sense, and it fills me with dread precisely because I don't see this changing quickly for the better. I do hope empathy and basic human decency prevail in the long run.

Absurdist humour is one of my coping mechanisms for exactly these kinds of topics, not a way to dodge them. This particular attempt may have overshot that mark a bit though.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was just highlighting the juxtaposition in length and depth between the two comments by dropping a dumb meme one level deeper.

I know, I get the meme. I just took it as inspiration for another wordy, serious comment, which I now realise continued the trend. I suppose the apt follow-up would have been some even shorter quip like "OK Boomer". Instead, you had to make a serious reply of your own and break the chain. Thanks, Obama.

I genuinely value your post.

And I value your genuine response and explanation. We hope together.

Absurdist humour is one of my coping mechanisms for exactly these kinds of topics

That I can get behind. When confronted with the absurdity of our great ambitions and worries in face of our own insignificance, what else can we do but make memes?

What better way to bear dark times than to make light of them?

When life is serious enough, you don't need to be.

Live. Laugh. Shitpost.

[–] polderprutser@feddit.nl 2 points 22 hours ago

This made my week. Live. Laugh. Shitpost. 🙏🏼

[–] impdroid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Billionaires bought a jail free cards decades ago

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

You can't put a shareholder in jail, they're the entire point of the system gestures broadly

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

He is young and he has a bright future ahead of him. We can't take that away.

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I predict this will be tied up in appeals until the day SCOTUS or the executive sniff these suits out.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 180 points 3 days ago (10 children)

So...it's a fucking fine, which way less then he made by doing this. Until throw these fucks in jail this shit will continue.

[–] staircase@programming.dev 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

In the next phase of the legal proceedings, due to begin on 4 May, the attorney general’s office will seek additional financial penalties and court-mandated changes to Meta’s platforms that “offer stronger protections for children”, said Torrez.

The design feature changes the state is seeking include “enacting effective age verification, removing predators from the platform, and protecting minors from encrypted communications that shield bad actors”.

Unclear how age verification would play out with their Digital Childhood Alliance efforts.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago

I promise you whatever happens it won't be good for the rest of us.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Until throw these fucks in jail this shit will continue.

Which is exactly why that won't happen. Our president is a pedophile. There's a whole network of wealthy pedophiles who no longer have an island. The pedophiles are in power.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 47 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Good! Remember though, fines don't count anymore, only hard time. Remove some years from these fuckers lives and they'll think twice in the future.

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

This lawsuit is about end-to-end encryption and the lack of age verification on Instagram. So not good.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Do I have to remind everyone the ending of The Wolf of Wall Street?

Tap for spoilerRich people go to ricb people prisons that aren't really prisons and are better than your house.

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[–] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Facebook made 200 billion in revenue in 2025.

https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/meta/revenue/

They were fined $375 million. They averaged $550 million per day last year.

If social media companies were required to moderate their content…if they were responsible for what’s posted…all problems would go away.

As it stands bad actors use bots to stay one step ahead of automated moderation.

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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 87 points 3 days ago (19 children)

"The design feature changes the state is seeking include “enacting effective age verification, removing predators from the platform, and protecting minors from encrypted communications that shield bad actors”."

Oh fuck right off.

I'm sorry but this is a bad "think of the children" decision. There are limits to what Meta or any platform can do about bad actors at that size without structural changes.

What might actually help: only show people content from groups and people that they follow, preferably in chronological order, rather than suggesting new groups and pages algorithmically all the time and thereby increasing the likelihood of children interacting with strangers on the Internet.

And improve parental controls for children's accounts. I'm sure there's nothing currently giving a "parent" account high level control over a "child" account, but I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

But also: require intercompatibility with other platforms and a standardized form of profile data export so people can leave Facebook but stay in touch with the people who still use it.

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude…installing Facebook Purity doesn’t protect you from child predators, what are you even talking about?

Want to know how all social media could simply and easily protect minors, and everybody at large? Hire some fucking moderators. Every social media company should be required to use as many humans as it takes to moderate all content posted on their platforms…everybody problem would be reduced to near zero. What’s happening now is nobody works at META…except at the design, legal and coding level. If you’re a bad actor and you want to post…you use a bot to interact with an automated process, and you’re always one step ahead of the automated process.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago

This is a solvable problem though. FB could create tools to allow their users to cultivate a better experience, including but not limited to parents and children. It wouldn't require a war of attrition against automation, or infinite moderators, but allowing people to have deeper control of their experience would reduce the number of ads you could shove in their faces and the amount of profit you could make. They therefore won't do it voluntarily, and that's why they should be compelled to provide such functionality by law.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 63 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The jury ordered Meta to pay the maximum penalty under the law of $5,000 per violation, totaling $375m in civil penalties for violating New Mexico’s consumer protection laws.

Meta: I guess I will only be able to spend $79.635.000.000 on my next useless venture.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'ma bet that they spend 10 million of that 79 billion on bribes to change the law so this never happens to them again.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Fine Zuckerfuck his entire net worth AND Meta. He's poor now.

Now, let's take a look at Musk, Bezos, and Ellison.

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Enough fines, open a criminal investigation and throw his ass in prison.

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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It says Google will already fight the lawsuit and zuckerberg wants to as well, lmao and he says he wants to protect children but he won't even admit fault with victims? Asshole. There's literally a docu about it: Molly vs the machines.

The two companies probably have to pay more than 3 million dollars. In the next phase of the trial, the jury examines the so-called punitive damages. These are additional damages, intended as an additional penalty.

And because of this instagram will also remove end-to-end encryption and add age-verification

The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversation — could make it harder for law enforcement to catch predators. Midway through trial, Meta said it would stop supporting end-to-end-encrypted messaging on Instagram later this year.

Regarding the encryption decision, a Meta spokesperson told CNN that, “very few people were opting in to end-to-end encrypted messaging in DMs, so we’re removing this option from Instagram in the coming months. Anyone who wants to keep messaging with end-to-end encryption can easily do that on WhatsApp.”

-- https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/24/tech/meta-new-mexico-trial-jury-deliberation

In May, Judge Bryan Biedscheid is slated to hold a trial without a jury on the state's claims that Meta created a public nuisance that harmed state residents' health and safety. The state will ask Biedscheid to direct Meta to make changes to its platforms, including adding effective age verification and removing predators, it said Tuesday.

-- https://www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/meta-ordered-to-pay-375-million-in-new-mexico-trial-over-child-exploitation-user-safety-claims/ar-AA1ZkHhq

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (7 children)

If you're still using Meta spyware in 2026 and think you're getting true E2E without a backdoor, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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[–] XLE@piefed.social 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, part of the court's decision was that Facebook wasn't surveilling people enough.

The New Mexico court heard how Meta’s 2023 decision to encrypt Facebook Messenger – its direct messaging platform, which predators have used as a tool to groom minors and exchange child abuse imagery – blocked access to crucial evidence of these crimes.

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[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You're telling me we shouldn't have trusted a sentient Annabelle doll in a t-shirt and jeans with the safety of defenseless children? Is THAT what you're telling ME!? ... Well, yeah, actually, that makes a lot of sense.

[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

This lawsuit is about end-to-end encryption and the lack of age verification on Instagram. So not good.

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