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"Most people who don't stand to personally benefit disapprove of heinous war crimes motivated by jingoism and pettiness" is the least surprising news since it was confirmed that Trump was in the Epstein files π
this post was submitted on 17 May 2026
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atheists like the pope more than Catholics do. what a time to be alive
It's really telling, isn't it?
Corporate propaganda works very well on the easily lead.
You know how atheists seem stubborn, but say they will change their stance when presented with evidence?
This is one of those things.
Secular, but when the church is right and the state is wrong, there is no loyalty. There is no wolfpack. There is only common sense and decency.
I guess they don't really believe in their god either?
Which God do you mean? Trump or the Pope?
The one with the gold covered headquarters.
Hmm, that's both of them π€
The one whose subordinates have to pretend is an infallible conduit to all that is good and right?
Both of them again!
The American who's systematically covering for and thus enabling enormous amounts of child abuse?
Dammit! I give up!
It's hard, I understand that.
Honestly not surprised about most of graph. It makes sense the Republicans, especially the MAGA lot, would be more inclined to ignore Pope Leo's words as some liberal BS.
Having said that, I'm very surprised about the last result. It kind of makes sense when you think that the democratic party leaning much more secular, so they're inclined to agree with Pope Leo on merit alone, but it's still weird his own clan to be so apathetic towards his words.
Getting ahead of this before anyone mentions it: technically there's nothing definitionally inconsistent with a Roman Catholic believing Leo is wrong in this case. Papal infallibility, in the fiction of Roman Catholicism, has critieria and limits which his words on the Iran War expressly do not satisfy.
Like obviously it's stupid as fuck and indicates a disregard for their professed religion, but this 100% squares with said religion at a rigid, doctrinal level.
That argument somehow hints that there might be a lot of Catholics out there who are so educated in their religion that they understand when the doctrine allows them to believe the Pope is wrong, but who are also so uneducated in their religion that they don't understand that the Catholic catechism specifies a "just war doctrine," the criteria of which the war in Iran clearly doesn't meet.
It would be more consistent to think that they are simply ignorant with regard to both doctrines.
If they are ignorant as to when the Pope is supposed to be infallible, a religious person of average intellect would be expected to err on the side of agreeing with the Pope. Which makes the numbers appear even crazier.
But I suspect these people are basically just not thinking at all. They don't realize that they are making these decisions. They just do whatever the loudest person tells them to do.
That argument
I made no attempt at an argument in defense of anyone in that poll; I wrote the comment because I knew if I didn't, some annoying wannabe pedant was going to come in about "hurr durr papal infallibility" not knowing what they're talking about.
It would be more consistent to think that they are simply ignorant with regard to both doctrines.
I agree. Everything I said, as noted, was preempting misguided pedantry, not about what any of the people in the poll actually believe.
I made no attempt at an argument in defense of anyone in that poll
I didn't mean to reference an argument in defense of the poll takers, but the argument that Catholics are allowed by doctrine to disagree with the Pope. I just wanted to say that the doctrine doesn't matter if people we are measuring by the doctrine are unaware of it or ignorant of its ramifications.
With that understanding, in people in this case could disagree with the pope, knowing that it was permissible, it would hint that they would have this nearly unthinkably disparate understanding of their own religion.
I mean the third who donβt still support Trump and always will.