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[–] ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works 38 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's called Agrovoltaics and it works pretty damn good,if you do it right.

The pairing can also offer some synergies. Solar panels can help moderate ground temperatures, provide shelter for livestock and help plants retain moisture.[6] For farmers the ability to produce electricity can help diversify their income stream.

Solar panels block light, which means that dual use systems involve trade-offs between crop yield, crop quality, and energy production.[7] Some crops/livestock benefit from the increased shade, obviating the trade-off,[8] such as green leafy vegetables, and spices such as turmeric and ginger, whereas staple crops such as wheat, rice, soybeans or pulses require more sun.[9] Agrivoltaics has also been used at scale in arid and semi-arid regions to stabilize soils, reduce dust storm intensity, increase vegetation cover, provide forage for livestock, and curb desertification, notably in northern China.[10][11]

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

The picture in the op doesn't look like agrivoltaics though. Compared to the agrivoltaics examples of the wiki article, the panels in the op are more densely placed, placed flatter, and placed closer to the ground. Nothing is getting harvested there, the most they could do is keep rabbits under them. From what I've seen in person, the non agri kind with panels over monoculture grass fields is much more common than agrivoltaics with cultivated fields.

[–] abs_mess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

How many times is this gonna get posted? It gets dunked on every time too...

[–] bitwize01@reddthat.com 9 points 3 hours ago

I'm convinced this is astroturfing in the same vein as the "Just stop oil" protesters that do all that trolly shit. The goal is for you to view green technologies negatively by association, and to feel like the science and decision-making behind them is suspect.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Um, they do? Half the retail stores in my area have solar panels in the parking lot.

[–] Nyadia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 hours ago

Lucky. The only solar panels in my local retail parking lots are the ones powering the ALPRs they installed there.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 21 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

"Noooo don't replace a tiny part of my monoculture industrial croplands used mostly to feed cattle with the cleanest and cheapest form of energy nooo*

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 74 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know. Sheep like to park below panels too.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 32 points 9 hours ago

Yeah I was gonna say:

First of all, we probably should not encourage more parking lots.

Secondly, in the words of that kid in A League Of Their Own who gives Gena Davis a ride who hits on her and then she makes a snide remark about smacking him around instead: “Can’t we do both?”

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 6 points 9 hours ago

Woolly engineers hard at work.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 55 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Here's the largest solar farm in California. It covers sand. Also, solar panels don't block 100% of the light getting to the ground, so different species of plants and animals can live and thrive under them. The land under solar panels is not lost to natural use. Life will adapt.

That said, solar panels over car parks is also a good idea. Both things can be true.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 5 points 6 hours ago

Sweet rig.

Which make/model of mixing deck is that?

;)

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

That article has all the hallmarks of AI-generated slop.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

This would work well in old mall parking lots -

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 23 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This is emotionally resonant but it's actually sometimes better to cover fields. The right thing is not always intuitive.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, like, what is it replacing? If it's food that goes directly to humans, let's not do that. If it's corn for ethanol, that has little worth. Covering it with solar panels isn't terrible by any means.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I feel like people still haven't internalized just how much of our fields go to corn for ethanol

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 36 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

Actually, with climate change in the back of the mind, covering fields with solar panels (not 100%, only partially) will reduce heat damage and water usage in the height of summer, and also protect the ground during cold spells of winter. So it is not that stupid after all.

That covering car parks with solar is a good idea is completely independent of this.

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[–] essell@lemmy.world 243 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

It can be really good to cover the fields!

Reduce evaporation, expand the range of plants that can grow and provide subsidies for hard pressed farmers

Protecting food and water resources are going to get increasingly important over the next few decades

[–] jagermo@feddit.org 130 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Yes. Both, not either or. Where is that shitty competition thinking coming from?

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 hours ago

A lot of it comes from conservative AstroTurf.

And, unfortunately, a lot of it comes from farmers and other people living in rural areas, who see fields of crops being turned into solar farms and think "these panels are ugly, these panels are industrial, these panels are taking up fertile farmland" and see it as just one more way the government is exploiting rural areas for the benefit of the cities.

They're wrong, of course, but rural America has been abandoned and neglected and made the dumping ground for all sorts of polluting industries for so long I can't blame them for thinking that way.

[–] notabot@piefed.social 56 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The cynic in me suspects it's an attempt to sow division within pro-solar panel groups. Get them arguing amongst themselves over where to put them, rather than uniting to push for more panels.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 5 points 9 hours ago

Yeah I really hate this post, and how often it seems to surface on lemmy. Agrivoltaics is good for energy and for the plants*!

*Some exclusions apply. Not all plants grow better with the added shade.

[–] Ibisalt@lemmy.world 45 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

In Switzerland, there was a vote on a petition requiring new houses to include solar panels. Conservatives opposed it, arguing that construction costs were already too high without such regulations. Instead, those same people want to build massive solar farms on untouched natural landscapes. To me, the reason is obvious: energy companies want to maintain control over a centralized power infrastructure. This way, they can keep charging us high electricity prices while pocketing subsidies for infrastructure projects.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 35 points 14 hours ago

Every single time this gets posted: Both is good.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

How about we don't cover our fields with car parks?

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 32 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It's not a bad idea to have energy production near where the energy is being used.

That said, it's not an either or.

Technology Connections actually did a great video on why using solar panels in place of crops can benefit the crops and actually provides more energy than the crops themselves. At least in the U.S., a huge portion of our crops are used for ethanol in gasoline anyway.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 6 hours ago

So anything that needs energy should have its own energy supply near where the energy is being used on the body as a design principle?

Sounds good.

Sounds even better than the (relatively) mere incremental improvement in batteries from donut labs.

Even if only painting everything [that needs some electricity] with photovoltaic paint.

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 13 hours ago (14 children)
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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

I'll do you one better

Replace most city car infrastructure by bicycle infrastructure. The few remaining required car parks? Move those underground under buildings and parks. Then those places that used to be car parks, make those actual parks to walk and sometimes cycle in

Then move solar on top of building roofs

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 6 hours ago

Or spaceships for everybody.

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[–] SomeRandomNoob@discuss.tchncs.de 86 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Saw a documentation a few days ago. It was about a berry Farmer who put solarpanels above his berries to shield them from direct sunlight. Works great! And He could replace all his transporters with EVs. :)

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Convert parking lots to fields & sparingly cover them with solar panels?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

Parking lots need to be the 6 levels underneath a soccer field anyway.

[–] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net 54 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Pv is around 250-400 times more efficient than energy crops for Bioethanol. So 1ha of pv could free up 249 - to 399 ha of land. Thats an ultimate win!

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