That's Microsoft. They got desktop PCs. They repeatedly failed to get mobile, they repeatedly failed to get portable, they never had embedded, they had fucking Skype at one point. They drink gold and piss nickel, Microsoft.

[–] magnue@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Don't forget Vine was basically tiktok and they just binned it for no reason.

[–] Manalith@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago

Also Zune was a fantastic player.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Well, I think Vine was too early. The videos were too short, could you imagine trying to put ads or sponsors in 6 second videos? So how do you monetize it?

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Being the first mover doesn’t guarantee shit and never has.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They had Skype! It was the verb for video calling for god's sake! How do you LOSE so BADLY so CONSISTENTLY and STILL have investors.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Business, government, and military contracts. Doesn't matter how crappy you are, as long as you promise to be the fall-guy when a insert large entity has a insert large tech problem, they'll keep shoveling money at you.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Sometimes I miss Microsoft Lync, but not often.

~~I made this comment as a joke but I actually do miss that chats could be in separate windows. s far as I know most major corporate (and non corporate, looking at you Discord) chat platforms don't let you pop out windows.~~

Edit: Okay, it's just Discord that's the problem then. It sort of supports it in that it will open the chat in your web browser, but then it does weird things like play the notification sound twice.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can pop out threads with a command click in Slack, but I don't know if you can change that to the default behaviour.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just threads? Not a chat room or DM?

Edit: Just tried this on DMs and chat rooms and it works. Thanks so much for the tip! Another successful usage of Poe's Law, the best way to find an answer on the Internet is to post incorrect information and wait for someone to correct you!

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 108 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It is truly, deeply amazing how bad Microsoft is. Proton on Linux is FASTER than the actual directX it's emulating is on windows. They got beat at their own instruction layer.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago (18 children)

And they had Skype, which was practically a genericized trademark for "video call--" until first Apple's FaceTime and then Zoom utterly took them apart.

And they had Office, which defined the product category so completely that it's called "office software--" but then Google Docs took them apart on a molecular level.

Microsoft is the king of snatching defeat from the clutching jaws of victory.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (8 children)

but then Google Docs took them apart

Tapping the breaks on that one.

Google Docs is very lightweight, but it's also very stripped down. Word remains the first choice in word processors for 90% of the market. It (and Excel) are a big reason offices haven't seriously begun abandoning Microsoft.

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Microsoft acquired Skype, did not create it. Then destryed it with its own hands.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

They acquired practically everything they have. They haven't created anything truly new since the mid-90s.

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[–] eatham@aussie.zone 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Google docs is far worse than office, in every way except for collaboration. It does not destroy them at all. LibreOffice is on par except for having no collaboration, but is not widely used so definitely haven't destroyed them. Office is still very successful and probably won't be gone anytime soon

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Proton (and Wine, what it's based on) are not emulators. They are compatibility layers, it translates Windows system calls to native Linux system calls.

[–] Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Or simply put: Wine Is Not an Emulator

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 151 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Lol! Be like GitLab instead:

1 - Be the underdog with good reputation in a market completely monopolized;

2 - Have the incumbent self-destruct by vibecoding its product and pushing AI above every other feature to its customers;

3 - Loudly announce that you are leaving your past good behavior behind, and that you are betting everything on vibecoding and pushing AI to your customers!

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[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 183 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Microsoft never fails to disappoint

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Huh. I guess Microsoft and I have that in common.

🥁

[–] the_joeba@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You forgot the symbol crash at the end. How disappointing.

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[–] getFrog@piefed.social 33 points 3 days ago (4 children)

you literally have access to all the code in the world

I'd like to believe that they were honorable enough to not secretly train on code without people's permission. But realistically they totally did exactly that, but just made the AI Model this incompetent through some other engineering blunder.

Also, random side thought - training only on public repos probably yields you way higher code quality as opposed to training on both public and private repos? I assume we all have some very messy private repos that we're too embarrassed to publish because the code quality is absolute shit ... right?

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I'm always so extremely confused about the trope of the personal project having shit quality... Like, if I'm doing something for myself, that's exactly the place where I wanna do something amazing, like literally all my private projects have much higher quality than my work ones - because in the work ones I'm forced to use stupid conventions, old tools, am not supposed to touch "legacy" code, etc etc etc

As such, since companies have their private code on GitHub, that's where I would expect the shittiness to come from, not personal private projects.

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[–] drath@lemmy.drath.ru 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They didn't check licenses in any way, as it did reproduce the famous quake fast inverse square root function, comments included. And quake, like majority of github projects, is published under GPL, which requires all copies and modifications to be published under GPL as well, after which all sane enterprises have banned copilot usage.

Though, we're not living in sane times anymore. Chatgpt, gemini, deepseek, claude, all reproduce copylefted code left and right. Realistically, Stallman should've been rolling in cash by now...

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[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 9 points 2 days ago

honorable enough

Lol. Lmao

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’d like to believe that they were honorable enough

In the future, will you still believe Microsoft (or any other big tech company) has honor not to do stupid shit?

Azure (and all of cloud compute) is the Extend phase of open source. I'm just waiting to see what the extinguish one will be.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

~~invent copilot~~

Rebrand ChatGPT

Ftfy

[–] lambipapp@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Naah, the initial GitHub copilot was something else.

[–] Sinthesis@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was on the Github Copilot Technical Preview (invite in my mailbox says July 16th 2021) and it was GPT-3 (not to be confused with ChatGPT which was introduced with GPT-4)

[–] ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

ChatGPT was built on top of GPT-3.5 which was GPT3 with the new deep reinforcement learning to make it more "conversational", launched 2022. GPT 4 launched in 2023 and before the official launch there was "I have been a good Bing. 😊" Which was.. checks notes... microsoft messing something up again

[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 3 points 2 days ago

The first time I came across ChatGPT, it was still GPT3, GPT3.5 was coming shortly after.

[–] trashboat@piefed.social 46 points 3 days ago

Just like Skype getting lapped by Zoom during COVID

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Have all the code in the world

Create LLM for software development

Try to advertise it

Oops, no budget

Get acquired by Microsoft

Enshittification ensues

Everyone else loots your code repos

Microsoft tries to put your coding tool in everything

Coding tool injected into Excel

Into Word

Into Teams Chat

Nobody knows what this is even supposed to do anymore

Copilot now synonymous with Clippy

Yeah, can't even begin to imagine how this happened.

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[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Their idea was that OpenAI was so far ahead of the competition no one could ever catch up. Turns out they weren’t and now they’re at the bottom.

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[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's weird because copilot in office tries to push agents on you as if it were a Jehovah's witness.

So GitHub copilot doesn't have them? I don't really use that.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 67 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It's saying Copilot was the first on the scene and had access to literally all of the training data anyone could possibly want, and is still being shown up by most other AI models. Their failure to capture the vibe coding space is a legendary fumble. At least that was my read.

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