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Every second Nvidia abandons consumers in favor of businesses for the majority of their sales, China improves their manufacturing and prepares to flood the global market, including the USA, with cheap yet powerful GPUs.
It's only a matter of time before this AI bubble pops, and the US government bails out these corporations with our fucking tax dollars.
It's not going to pop because it's about building datacenters and Ai for the control system of human beings. Not for chat bots.
This is the infrastructure for dystopia that is coming up and people think it's about AI chat bots... Why do people continue to trust what these companies say instead of look at what they do?
Nvidia is heavily invested in robots as well. Because they know where this is going.
From chat bots to murder bots in a blink of an eye.
Dont worry, there are no tax dollars left.
The cmegroup, where metals and oil are traded, has a profit of 770 million dollars.
Meaning it will take over a decades of the cme's straight up profit to pay off one of the cheeto in chief's recent grifts.
One.
He has pulled off multiple ten thousand million dollar heists of us taxpayer money in the last year.
There wont be a bailout, these fucks are spending that cash as quickly as they possibly can under the expectation that the dollar is about to be worthless.
Because they helped speed run it's crash
I have several friends that work at AMD and NVIDIA in the graphics (hw and sw) groups. They’re all in a slow transition to other compute groups. Their comments are that once we got ray tracing there wasn’t much in terms of hardware optimization for them other than increasing memory bandwidth. Everything else comes down to software.
Multi frame generation and dlss has made give improvements. It's pretty clear that with a little more improvements, gpus will be able to output 5-10x the data with the same hardware. I'm not surprised they are focusing on that right now.
Output 5-10x with same HW? I need what you're smoking because the current HW can barely handle current amounts of data, let alone a magnitude more
Multi frame generation was already possible with Lossless. The fact that it's only officially supported by one generation of cards is absolute bullshit.
Lossless adds lag, mfg uses a whole different gpu pipeline. They are not even close to the same performance. I've used both and it'a night and day in terms of total system latency. I would never use lossless for gaming that requires input speed. Now using lossless for visual novels to limit cpu demand, but that is about it
At least for now, the consumer DIY PC market as we know it is gone.
Gone is too strong of a word. Inaccessible to more Americans then before, yes, but not gone.
I'm kinda glad I kept reading into this the past 6 months to a year. I made the decision to buy a beefy PC and I don't intend to do any upgrades over the next 10 years. Did this juuuust a littlebit before the RAM's price spiking up.
Maybe now devs will care about optimization since nobody can buy GPUs hence no one will pay for a game that they cant run. Either optimization or bankrupcy ig.
Honestly, this is such a nice silver lining, my 3080 that’s like 6 years old is still working fine even on newer titles since no one is making/ buying better cards (or cards with more VRAM) in large quantities.
I can’t remember having a GPU this old that was still relevant, my old 780ti was so limited by its 3gb vram.
Just wait until driver support is ended by nvidia. I have two P40 which are powerful and work well but nvidia just ended support (for compute) but I think the point still stands. Maybe it will be better with the new oss drivers
my cynical mind just thinks that they will just sell licenses to big corpo with those big data centres who will push for online remote gaming and two things will happen, either massive exodus of gaming studios or clueless majority of population will simply gobble small subscription fees to game online at 4fps
From what I’ve read, they don’t care because they don’t want us buying them. Their big picture sees us doing online cloud gaming through a virtual computer that you connect to. They no longer want anybody to have home PC’s.
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When that happens, its imperitive that you dont participate. We need to reuse, and repair current and older machines.
I’d much rather game on old hardware or janky arm based stuff than use hardware as a service, even if it means being 10+ years behind in performance. There are so many great games that will run on pretty much anything
I ardently wish that gamers, or at least people who spend money on games, were better at withholding their filthy lucre.
But the lag!
Dooms all these yes. There is no cheating the speed of light
Imagine instead of cloud gaming we bring this hardware directly to the customer by renting it to them. Reduced latency but still maintaining those hefty profit margins.
that's fine. my library is big enough that I probably don't need to buy a single game for the rest of my life
I will, but I won't need to.
Good. Let them dig their own grave. The world is currently figuring out how to do training and inference without using GPUs. They will ultimately be left behind.
They're making a solid bet here.
Look at the breakdown from Steam surveys, it's almost always ~75% Nvidia. They know they have the gamer market down on lock and they know gamers aren't going to buy something else as long as their competitor can't fake as many frames as them and they know they have a lock on developers in a Ouroboros of vendor lock of more fake frames and AI slop filters that leads to more gamers who clamor for more fake frames and bad AI instagram filters.
Meanwhile they're making money hand over fist with stupid AI and that money is money without relying directly on being AI for the most part so if the bubble bursts it's not like they're going to be overly hurt and then they know they can pivot right back to fake frames and slop filters and gamers will come running right back.
It could change relatively quickly though. Consider that Valve's devices are all ultimately AMD devices. If Valve's bet pays off, then those numbers should change (to what extent, I don't know).
The Linux gaming community in general (which small as it is, is growing) is definitely shifting AMD. On the nvidia side are a bunch of driver woes and poor support. Meanwhile AMD's drivers are literally baked into the kernel. No contest for ease.
This could all be wrong. Definitely. But the optimist in me sees a glimmer of hope depending on where the enthusiast community goes, how successful Valve is with their coming machines, etc.
Orrrrr... The whole PC enthusiast community dies because AI keeps driving prices into the sky and it never recovers in any meaningful way.
Everything they leave is up for grabs. Someone will take their place. Let's just hope it's soon.