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The technology to convert wifi signals into the placement and identity of people is getting much better. Not by using their devices, just the waves bouncing of their bodies. (There's nothing new to the pipeline as far as I can tell, we're just starting to get into the accuracy ranges that make it easy/useful.)

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 hours ago

This is accomplished through what is known as WiFi sensing, or the use of WiFi signals to infer information about a physical environment. When radio signals like WiFi travel through a space, they interact with the objects and people around them. Those signals can be reflected, scattered, or absorbed. By analyzing how the signal is expected to behave compared with how it is actually received, researchers can infer details about the surrounding environment.

I kind of get this idea. It's just sensing the strength of radio waves with some kind of antenna array. Like pixels on an optical sensor. It's not really a new idea, I sort of recall seeing video of this kind of thing from like 10 years ago.

But the paper suggests this relies on higher level protocol information.

Beamforming, as introduced in WiFi 5, requires clients to broadcast observations of their channel characteristics. This introduces a new information source for WiFi sensing with privacy threats that have not been explored, so far. With WiFi networks being ubiquitous in our everyday lives, the impact of unknown privacy threats is likely severe. To investigate this concern, we introduce BFId, the first identity inference attack using BFI-based sensing and evaluate its efficacy on a novel dataset containing WiFi recordings of 197 individuals. We show that we can infer the identity of individuals with very high accuracy, across different walking styles and perspectives, even with large sample sizes.

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Identity inference based on WiFi can be done by analyzing different sources, but most prominent in recent years has been the analysis of Channel State Information (CSI), a built-in part of the physical layer of WiFi. [...] To enable higher bandwidths, WiFi 5 (802.11ac) introduced beamforming. Beamforming utilizes similar information on the physical environment as CSI, but on the sender instead of the receiver side.In a typical WiFi scenario, clients send Beamforming Feedback Information (BFI) back to the access point, a compressed representation of the current signal characteristics

This makes it sound kind of like a way to fingerprint signals, but they also mention:

We show that individuals can be recognized with very high accuracy (99.5% ± 0.38) with our BFI-based attack. Furthermore, BFId is not only able to infer the identity of individuals, our experiments also demonstrate that in a direct comparison it is able to do so better than CSI-based attacks for large populations. This also holds for identifying individuals across walking styles, from multiple different perspectives, and at reduced sample rates.

But if we're talking about walking styles, it sounds more like "regular" wifi sensing again.

For this, the standard defines a channel sounding procedure (shown in Figure 1) which is initiated by the access point (beamformer) regularly through a null data packet (NDP) announcement frame. Beamformees will reply to this announcement. The actual NDP is then sent by the access point which contains one VHT-LTF (very high throughput long training field) per spatial stream used in the transmission. Beamformees will then use the CSI of these VHT-LTFs to calculate so-called feedback matrices for each subcarrier. The feedback matrix is compressed into beamforming angles which are sent back to the beamformer.The beamformer can then calculate a steering matrix which can be used to direct the transmission towards the beamformee [6, 16].

So I guess it's kind of like sensing from multiple observers?

The vast majority of approaches use recordings of gait sequences for identification, but there are exceptions, e.g. using lip-motions [ 42], keystrokes [ 18 ] or no moving at all, but the individual just standing [53 ] or sitting [51 ]. When usinggait, most approaches record individuals while walking orthogonally to the line-of-sight (LOS) between sender and receiver. Twoearly approaches had participants walk parallel to the LOS [26, 71 ] and some approaches have opted to have participants walk freely,but only one approach considered multiple perspectives [76].

Yeah, I guess the novel thing in this paper is using information from this protocol to essentially get a bunch more sensors. Though I'm still shocked they can put together a coherent picture to get fucking lip movements with all this.

Also, WiFi has gotten so much more complicated since 802.11b. Feels like I forgot to pay attention.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"identify people walking within a network’s range"

So it's dependent on me walking? Good luck! 🤣

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

the wonder is that folks walked in different ways, and were still identified correctly. Not walking, you might be mistaken for furniture tho.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 21 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

In a study, the researchers describe using beamforming feedback information (BFI) and machine learning models to identify people walking within a network’s range. The team found that this BFI-based technique was able to infer a person’s identity with 99.5% accuracy.

Yipes!

Fortunately, the solution is simple. Your tinfoil hat needs to extend into a cylinder around your entire body, , like an RF condom.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 21 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You still be identifiable as the walking cylinder. What we need is a ministry of silly walks.

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Only travel the house by Roomba, this deletes the walk-signature. 🙃

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 11 points 11 hours ago

H A C K E R M A N !

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

Inflatable girdles.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Wired only network with Faraday caging everywhere. I think they even make signal blocking paint!

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You know, I think I just came up with my first $1,000,000 product; drywall with embedded copper mesh.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Well he did say it was a million dollar product...

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if nation state intelligence services aren't already using this technology now.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 3 points 7 hours ago

IIUC they'd need gait data of the people to be identified. So if it's someone you have a lot of video of, it's potentially tractable.

Meta has this kind of data on a fuckton of humans; TikTok probably has it on the rest.

Jesus, we're fucked

[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Didn't batman use this in The Dark Knight?

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, I’m more concerned about the invasion from the “smart glasses” fad filming fucking everything than I am this pie in the sky prediction.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Install nearby glasses app from fdroid. Might help you notice them if needed.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I'm concerned and pissed off about both

The more channels they have as data source, the more resilient and finer-grained their intel.

Rage, rage against the dying of the privacy

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In public spaces, this is already happening with CTV from nearby stores and such no?

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[–] sodalite@slrpnk.net 4 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

there's gotta be some way to jam the frequencies or introduce some kind of interference with other waves... right?

[–] Carmakazi@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago

Signal jamming is, broadly speaking, very illegal and also very traceable by nature.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

You can use aluminium foil and shape it into a nice hat

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I mean it sounds pretty rough... and it would seem to me the real problem is they are making it sound like the problem is the existing routers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it basically saying... someone could drop in a battery powered wifi router in your front yard and spy through your walls?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 12 hours ago

To an extent. it's better to have it inside with you and lots of other devices around to get a good picture from the BFI.

AS bad as it sounds, you'r probably sitting next to, or carrying with you a cellphone with a unique IMEI that ties you to credit cards and social security numbers, it has an exact GPS lock available to police for the asking, and even if you turn that off, a yagi or any antenna locator could id you far better than the BFI.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

They could do the same thing with a speaker playing a sound. It's basically sonar, but the waves being measured are RF and not sound. But it being outside your home wouldn't work that well; wifi does not penetrate wood or plaster walls very well, and won't get through brick or metal at all. They can shape it, to go around things, but unless it's extremely high powered, it won't go through anything solid.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 0 points 7 hours ago

Similarly for a whole bunch of attack vectors. Reconstructing keystrokes from keyboard sounds has been demonstrated. But you need a quiet background and a close microphone. At which point you probably could have just plugged in an inconspicuous keylogger and be done with it.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

It's a (corrupted) router level attack, so the sensible counter is OpenWRT or rolling your own router. I doubt many cheap routers have the grunt to run this anyway.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The attacker has to be broadcasting to make the attack work. Running OpenWRT and keeping it up to date probably protects you from someone using your own router against you better than stock firmware.

But another expected scenario is an attacker with a nondescript car and a wifi router inside who can sweep the neighborhood searching thru walls for Person X.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

But another expected scenario is an attacker with a nondescript car and a wifi router inside who can sweep the neighborhood searching thru walls for Person X.

Hmmf, nasty, but labor intensive. Is it working on backscatter ? because your devices shouldn't be responding much (beyond ping / authentication query level).

Also, at that point they can just use whatever fits in a van, radar, IR scanners, who knows what, fucking X-rays maybe, don't know that they'd bother with this.

Avoiding it being deployed at scale to everybody's router might be more important.