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He's just noticing this now? He didn't notice this when a mob of them erected a scaffold, carried signs that stated their intention to hang him, and stormed the building he was in?
I think those might actually be conservative principles at work....
Pity he wasn't hanged.
This is what you guys wanted, this was your end game for decades now. You're just mad it wasn't someone more savvy so as not to fuck over everything at once.
I saw that interview, and he's always been an arrogant, out-of-touch religious whackjob, but now you can add pathetic to the list.
He still thinks he can convince drooling MAGAs to follow him on his quest to return to Core Conservative Principles, but he didn't do it by explaining what Core Conservative Principles are, and how MAGA doesn't respect them. He just went right to spewing the same old tired Conservative Propaganda Machine tropes about left-wing radicals, gender, blah, blah, blah, it's so boring.
He hasn't realized something that everybody on the outside knows: The Republican Party is dead. That was just the larval stage before it morphed into their final form - MAGA. Anybody who would buy into his lame old list of conservative whines, has already turned MAGA, and they ain't coming back.
And MAGA literally tried to murder him. Yet instead of attacking them, and showing the right how MAGA is wrong for the party, America, and the World, and they need to return to true Conservatism, he just attacks Democrats with the same old MAGA complaints they've always had. It turns out righties actually wanted something other that a smaller government and lower taxes, they wanted to indulge their hatred even more, and that feels GOOD. Why should they support Pence, when they are already supporting someone who is following through with what they truly want?
On the positive side, a return to Core Conservative Principles would create a completely separate party from MAGA, and I strongly encourage him to do that. He can take all the Righties who want to go back to the good old days of Reagan, and Trump can get all the MAGAs, and we can have a 3 Party system, with the right wing split between the Sociopaths, and the Psychopaths.
Democrats: "Oh thank God for this new party, I was worried I'd have to vote for a progressive!"
Republicans are so dumb
I wish this concept would die. The republicans who are in power, are doing exactly what they planned (project2025) by destroying the idea and function of a democratic working government for the people, grifting without consequences all along the way. Since that was the goal and its being achieved, they are HIGHLY SKILLFUL opponents who are currently winning. This makes everyone else spectating, wondering when things are going to be made right, the dumb ones. And its the second term. He is not in prison. HES THE PRESIDENT, again. As it is now, they outsmarted everyone, no matter how much that hurts the feelings of the spectators.
Not so much about being smarter/more skilled as it is about being shameless vermin willing to exploit, cheat, lie..their way through any barrier imaginable. It's just a massive handicap fighting these demons "the right way".
i don't disagree, yet their goals are being met. They are normalizing this behavior globally. Surveillance state is set with full government support. Americans are no longer in Kansas.
Imagine if someone tried to have you murdered by a mob and this was the harshest criticism you could come up with.
Tumor complains that stage 4 cancer has "departed" from malignant principles.
Plenty of people have cancer and don't die. You're suggesting we wipe out the entire deep human experience of having cancer, including the whole cancer subculture. Don't you think that's a bit ignorant?
The Gilead faction is the true one and not the Reich faction?
Yeah, sure, OK, but I still wish a plague on both their houses.
Has departed...... Bitch, it never had those values, you gotta have values to depart from them.
I think they had them perfectly, just now some of the supporters realized they don't want to be part of sunken ship.
No shit, he noticed this now
Have they? They have started doing it with no deception. They are just doing the bad stuff and not trying to hide it. Regressives have always said one thing and done another. Now they are just doing the hateful stuff without any speed bumps.
wow, took this long AFTER HIS GOONS RIOTED TO HANG YOU to make that connection mike?
goddamn I do believe pence may be dumber than trump.
He was riding the clown train hoping it would put him front and center when it failed. Not a horrible plan. But it didn't go that way and now he will go down in history as one who assisted in bringing it to fruition.
he let jesus take the wheel and stopped even thinking
He's wrong, of course. Trump is the purest expression of conservative principles we've ever seen.
Reactionary, exclusionary, hateful. What higher conservative principles are there right?
Corrupt?
That’s all big tent stuff. If you really look at the core, foundational, pillar of conservatism- it’s protectionism. The “fuck you I got mine,” principle. Ensuring the status quo for wealth holders.
That would fall under exclusionary. But you're not wrong. Sad thing is they lie to their voters and tell them that they will be part of the in group. As they proceed to exclude them over and over and over again.
Trump says all the quiet things out loud. The things you'd hear at the country club and black tie events. Things that Mike Pence thinks but won't say out loud, even though most of his conservative brethren have been since Trump made it acceptable.
He's such a fascinating paradox. He's pure id, so he lies constantly, but he also constantly blurts out the truth because he's too stupid to know when it's a smart time to lie and when it's a smart time to shut the fuck up.
How brilliant. 10 years after the rest of us called it the alt-right. Ever heard of Liz Cheney?
This loser enabled all of it and only got cold feet when the mob came for him.
Now we’re supposed to sympathize with his milquetoast denials? Show me a shred of actual resistance to the fascist hell you helped create.
I don’t care if the MAGAs do hang Mike Pence.
He waited for months after J6 to see which way the wind was blowing, never forget that
It’s also thanks to this asshole that we have a lot of the conservative federal judges that we do across the country. Fuck this Christian Nationalist piece of shit.
I dunno. They still seem pretty racist to me.
I watched him on Meet The Press this morning, and what an out of touch loser he is. He still thinks that people are going to rally behind his return to Conservative Principles, not understanding that the Republican Party no longer exists. That was just the larval stage, before they morphed into their final form - MAGA.
You'd think he'd understand that, since on the day they made that metamorphosis - January 6, 2021 - he was there, and was a prime target of the MAGA Mob.
Instead of being vocally in conflict with MAGA, he just trotted out out the tired old conservative tropes about radical left liberals, Socialism, gender politics, etc. whining about how that's what Dems are all about, when it's MAGAs like him that won't stop talking about it. Dems want to talk about crushing MAGA, health care, affordability, etc., but MAGAs don't want to talk about the real issues Dems want to talk about, MAGAs only want to discuss their fake issues.
This guy came off as another lost old school conservative, who still thinks they can go back to the good old Reagan days. Just go back to the country club and drink highballs with Newt Gingrich and John Cornyn, and whine about how the younger generation doesn't respect them.
Lol, these clowns. They pushed for this. This monster was inevitable in their quest for populist control. The problem was it got away from them, so they all ran away and then acted like they had nothing to do with summoning it.
It's weird that it took you so long to speak out. They tried to hang you Mike. You're a spineless soulless amoral fuck regardless, but dude, come the fuck on
Fuck you. Trump is a SYMPTOM of all that went wrong during and after Reagan.
They have departed from any kind of principles. The administration is focused on corruption and grifting.
I mean, conservatives have departed from principles. And it's not recent
I love how they claim to be "fiscal conservatives" when every R president drives up the national debt. There's nothing conservative about the so-called conservatives.
They embraced them whole hog. Ignorant turd.
Got something on your nose there, Mike.
Oh. It doesn’t come off. I see.
Did they, though?
He's costing rich people money!
But more importantly his polling is down.
But The Dow!
Ronald Reagan was a actor, not at all a factor
Just an employee of the country's real masters
Just like the Bushes, Clinton and Obama
Just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters
If you don't believe the theory, then argue with this logic
Why did Reagan and Obama both go after Gaddafi?
We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil
Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby
Same as in Iraq and Afghanistan
And Ahmadinejad say they coming for Iran
They only love the rich and how they loathe the poor
If I say any more they might be at my door
What principles?