Problem solved! We'll all just go...not vote?
Hmmm...that doesn't seem right. Doesn't that let all the people who really want to vote for the 51 death camps decide who's in charge then?
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Either way you get death camps, get off the trolley and discover there's a no death camp option
Everything went to hell economically in the 1990's once the powers that be discovered that the suburban youth will pay $200 for bluejeans. After that, all bets were off and the greed rocket just kept rising and rising.
Idk, if given the choice between 50 death camps or 51 death camps, it would be pretty fucked up to choose 51.
Precisely. That's why you need to think more broadly. So you don't become evil and pretend it's OK.
Nobody is pretending it is okay.
But pretending like refusing to vote is morally superior than actively preventing the extra death camp is not.
This is a false premise. Instead of choosing which evil we want to accept, we can choose which evil we prefer to resist.
The electoral system also gives that lesser evil legitimacy, insert robot voice: "they were voted for democratically, these protesters all just hate democracy and {country.capitalized()}!".
In all seriousness, what you are putting forward requires actual resistance, not just marching in the streets like is too common nowadays, but actual efforts to make it hell for people in power, and it actually makes it harder if the people in power can make you look unreasonable because you voted for them.
Resist by giving them legitimacy
True, and I agree, but we do actually have to resist for that to be the case. Not just with the signs and angry letters we've been using to try to convince the corrupt to simply not be corrupt anymore, but with actions that actually prevent them from making things worse, up to and including their death, if necessary. Until then we really are just voting for the lesser evil and letting them do whatever they want.
Resist all of them
We need a revolution 🇦🇱✊🏼nothing will improve until the pedophile class lives in fear
bOtH sIdEs
I fucking hate that we keep getting this "both sides bad" ideology, now "both sides deathcamp" ffs, right during Trump's reign where we are seeing concentration camps and illegal wars right after a boring Biden presidency.
Boring? There was and still is literally a genocide going on.
But thanks for proving the meme right.
And how many concentration camps did Biden build?
And how many does Trump gloat about building?
You're exactly the type of dumbass I'm talking about. We literally have a US president directly supporting and building concentration camps and you cant tell the difference between that and Biden not being vocal against another country's genocide.
How many were active during biden's campaign, how many did he not shut down?
Why was nothing done about abortion rights?
Why did he support (and not just "not being vocal" about) the israeli state during an active genocide?
Your "blue team" is just as complicit.
I don't think the person you're replying to is defending Biden. It isn't a defense of Biden's failure to act to say that Trump is, quite obviously, worse in every aspect. It is insane to think otherwise because the genocide got WORSE under Trump.
The point is that dipshits/losers/morons/accelerationists sit here and say both sides are bad, when one side is actively worse and they do not care that the one obviously worse side is killing multiple-folds more people while they pretend to smugly assert how good it must be to choose no evil while everyone else struggles to work with the hand they've been forcibly dealt.
You let me know when you step up and assassinate a billionaire, alright, bud? I'll respect your stance then.
this is a bullshit argument
one side in US politics is pretty ANTI death camp while the other is very much PRO death camp. lesser evil voting in this case is ANTI death camp
you putz
Except if you consider that one side committed a genocide and then the other side committed even more genocide.
And refusing to side with the better options actively works the worse option in the hand.
No these "better options" choosing to do genocide lead to a worse option. You can't fault someone for not voting for genocide. When the option is a turd sandwich or a shit stew don't be surprised when people choose neither.
And now the whole fucking restaurant is literally made out of shit. Great job not voting there.
Vote local, vote to end FPTP.
Damn election season already?
You only say that because you want the 51 death camps party to win.
This is true. The problem is, in a lot of US elections, you only have bad choices. You have really bad, and a little less bad than really bad. What I wouldn't give for ranked choice voting.
lesser evil won in 2020 & we got:
- genocide
- record police killings of Black Americans
- record COVID deaths
- record trans murders
- 1st declared LGBTQIA+ emergency
- homelessness criminalized
- record inflation
Democrats didn't try to repeal the Patriot Act. They kept reauthorizing it. They didnt try to address Citizens United, they ignored it. They didn't try to close Guantanamo Bay. They didn't try to roll back ICE funding. And all the stuff that Trump is currently doing, they will do absolutely nothing to roll any of it back. Liberal lesser evil enables the greater evil. When liberals say lesser evil, what they mean is the same evil but affects them less.
And now the bigger evil won in 2024 and we got:
- even more genocide
- literal racist death squads (broke record too)
- return of plenty more diseases
- even bigger record of trans murders
- declared LGBTQIA+ as enemies of the state
- homelessness killings and deportations
- even bigger record inflation that is making people go bankrupt
Thank you for proving the point that voting lesser evil slows the decline.
Fight for a third party during pre-election, but not during the election when it is obvious to everyone the third party isn't going to do anything.
It doesn't slow anything, there's an option of no harm but liberals are terrified of using it because the current system benefits THEM so much. All the harm that trump has created will be kept in place by Democrats once he's out, the exact same way they kept most of his first term stuff under Biden. Their ratchet effect always prevents Republican actions from ever slipping back.
I will poke only one hole in your little list there.
lesser evil won in 2020
record COVID deaths
pretty sure any number of deaths would've been record numbers...
We mostly get three votes. We get to vote on how we spend our money, who we give it too. We can cast a ballot. We can vote through physical action.
All of which are constrained for you
Yes, but that's always the case. Reality has fundamentally constrained me, beyond that the will of others has constrained me. Of course I know you're speaking more to governments and systems of power than the experience of ancient people living in small tribes. In some form or fashion we are always constrained.
Yes, of course. What we're talking about is constraints directly on exactly what you think is capable of making change.
You can choose who you vote for, but only among people who support the genocide of Palestinians. You can choose who you vote for, but only among people who agree with the US prison system and military. You can choose who you vote for, but only among people who think we must defend the right of billionaires to buy the news media.
You can choose where you spend your money, but only among the businesses that are allowed to exist. You can choose which foodstuffs you buy, but 90% of food is provided by exactly 8 company's. You can choose which food you buy, unless you live in a food desert.
These constraints make it literally impossible for those choices to create the change you expect to see. Mice in the lab can choose what direction they navigate the maze. Prisoners can choose which gang they provide services to. Slaves can choose which expressions of submission they show to their masters.
None of these incrementally bring us to a better place.
Unfortunately unhelpful when the greater evil is so extremely evil, so the only choice is to either vote against the greater evil or not vote at all (or at least not have any likelihood at all that your vote will make any difference).
Especially with the electoral college for president there really is no other choice in the US. There is no chance of a third party since if one of the three doesn't get a majority, then the winner is determined by those already in power. And most other federal elections there's very little chance of a third parry with no huge pool of money from one of the two parties actually winning. It happens, but very rarely and most who win these days were already in their positions before the removal of caps on corporate cash and the idea that corporations have human rights was ingrained by our corrupted Supreme Court.
- 77 million voted for Trump in 2024.
- 75 million voted for Harris.
- 89 million didn't vote.
I think some of the 89 million didn't vote because being actively complicit in genocide is an ethical line they will never cross.
I think the big difference between those who are prepared to vote for evil, and those who will never vote for genocidal parties; is how far they think ahead. Those who only look at the next 4 years, will keep voting for the lesser evil and make the world more evil even if they win; while those who look at least at the next 7 generations, will never vote for such evil parties.
For the Democrats to get votes from the non-voters, they have to convince them that crossing the genocide-line is OK, and that causing a mass extinction event more than 4 years from now should be ignored.
For the Greens to get some of those non-voters, they have to convince them it's better to do the right thing and be on the losing side for a while, because there's a chance (like in first-past-the-post UK, where the 8th biggest party, the Greens, now regularly poll better than both of the duopoly parties (Tories and Labour]) that others will eventually vote for the ethical party if they see more people doing it.