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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

OP's image, but hand made, using the original "8f these kids could read" meme template. Panel 1: Bobby Hill has taped a piece of paper up to the outside of a window so it can be read from the inside. It reads: "HR = 1.12 is not a mechanism it is a vibewith confidence intervals". Panel 2: There's a group of kids behind the window looking out at Bobby and another character. I haven't watched King of the Hill, so I don't know the character's name but he's labelled, for the sake of the joke, as "H. Bradford". He's grabbed the piece of paper and is scolding Bobby: "If those nutritionists understood residual confounding they would be very upset".

This was done by hand and it took me all of 4 minutes and 30 seconds, on my phone - yes I timed that. Writing the alt text took longer.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its good, I'll grant you!

I was just trying to represent Sir Bradford Hill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Bradford_Hill

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You don't need to use his face, just write his name on the character. The likeness adds nothing. There's just no reason to use the plagiarism machine for this.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What's HR= 1.12 for those of us out of the loop?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

HR is hazard ratio, a term often used in observational epidemiology to express event hazard of the variable. The core problems is these studies are not tightly controlled, have innumerable confounders, and 1.12 means a 12% increased relative risk (not absolute risk)... which is so low it might as well be noise. This is a useful tool in the scientific process to generate hypotheses to plan further interventional experiments with, but it cannot establish cause and effect. However, lots of people REALLY REALLY REALLY want to use such data to make claims of cause and effect.

Most nutritional papers are exactly this. Dr Bradford himself, the main who came up with the smoking->cancer link and wrote the definitive criteria for observational data, even indicated a hazard ratio less then 2 (so 200%) isn't meaningful.

MD Ede explains this so much better then I can https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/epidemiological-studies

Update - Here is probably one of the best published illustrations of this weakness - https://doi.org/10.3945/ajcn.112.047142 - Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks! I actually used to teach stats - at least for awhile 😆. I just came across the meme and that didn't click for an association.

That is a great explanation by the way. More coherent than I think I could manage.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Cigarette smoking has a hazard ratio of 7 (700%) for lung cancer, for comparison.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Oh gawd the dead AI eyes and the forced averaging of facial features, fucking scary