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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Why they do this:

After the first three years, Volkswagen is charging ev customers €150/year to see the charge level on the app, remotely start the air conditioning, schedule charge and so on.

Any tinkerer is thinking "well, if I am paying this extortion just to see the charge level on the app, then I want to exfiltrate my data in home assistant or similar, getting better stats and so on"

So they blocked the API with Google play integrity signatures

Now, instead of spending money on engineering ways to block uncertified devices, they could have simply introduced an official API with rate limits and stuff.

The fact that they noticed all those "unauthorized accesses" it's prove that people just want to pay for a lightweight API access, not a 250mb app that takes 4 minutes to remotely start the air conditioning

After all, we're talking for €150/year for accessing the data of a €1 iot sim card using 0.0001€ of compute time. There should be enough margin for that.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 72 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

All of this leads back to an old rhetorical question I've often asked. Why the fuck isn't the whole entertainment system and car connection just a standard touchscreen and communication protocol?

The fact that I need these proprietary patent-gated apps to use parts of my car, instead of just a driver that could work on any device with the right port, is overtly user-hostile.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 31 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Because the greed of corporations knows no limit. They sold you the (expensive) hardware, now they want to sell you the (specific, usually compatible but not really, and slightly buggy implementation) software. Can't do that with open specifications.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It is rhetorical because that answer is self-evident to many, but you are exactly right nonetheless. It is a major exhibit in the case of why companies must be regulated to act in the public interest, because every time we don't, they pull this same rent-seeking crap without fail: the "sell me a hammer and charge me when I swing it" routine.

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago

When XavDub contacted the German car maker, the company responded that GrapheneOS “is not an official Volkswagen offering” and advised them to contact their OS provider instead.

This is the only official word from Volkswagen in the whole article. To me, this reads less as "We are blocking GrapheneOS users" and instead "GrapheneOS is not something we give any official support" which I think is a key distinction.

It's not clear what's different in the update that doesn't work with GrapheneOS, whether it's an API call that doesn't work or if they've implemented the Play Integrity API - but I think this article is a bit sensationalist and everyone's reacted only to the headline.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 51 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Cars didn't need apps in the 1900's and they sure as hell don't need them now.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You don't need a computer to make a car. But you might need most of one to meet fuel economy and safety standards.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, good people had good ideas and created the computer link that allows your catalytic converter to function properly. As with all good things, some shithead ruined it and put Subaru's remote start behind a paid app. Shit people ruining good things, tale as old as time.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

But they force me to pay for parts I can't use without doing things I won't and agreeing to things I don't.

[–] Eric_Pollock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 86 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

Hopefully this doesn't affect me

A 1990 Volkswagen Vanagon with a German flag livery

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 19 points 8 hours ago

It does, unfortunately, affect you. Your van does not support GrapheneOS.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

It's glorious!

[–] mbp@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago

Hell yeah, brother

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago
[–] Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 13 hours ago

That's a wonderful creature.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 14 points 16 hours ago
[–] newton@feddit.online 24 points 15 hours ago

Ty ,for info , next car will be no VW.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 59 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Change it from they block GOS to they spy on you. Get it in front of as many people as possible. If they get huge negative press they’re more likely to change.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 15 hours ago

They literally murdered millions and were in the press about it. I think they don’t care about headlines anymore.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 76 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

This is highly misleading. Hopefully there's a link in the article to the original report on the GrapheneOS forums, where they talk about the app update breaking it on multiple platforms, not just GrapheneOS. It does not appear to be a block.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 hours ago

All in all, it's just another brick in the VibeCoded Wall...

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It's probably just using googles play integrity, that tends to break apps in pretty much in everything that isn't stock manufacturer android.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 14 hours ago
[–] Triumph@fedia.io 161 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Class action for unilaterally modifying the agreement about feature access after the fact and to the detriment of the consumer.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 34 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There’s about 1000 companies to sue for this already

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago
[–] pimat@feddit.org 101 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

How are all these governments and companies managing to enshitify everything? Yet, when it comes to real problems like world hunger, child poverty, and exploitation, no one even blinks an eye.

[–] snoons@piefed.ca 47 points 22 hours ago

No one makes short term profit off of solving world hunger, so it doesn't get solved. 🙈

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[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 52 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

Why does a car need an android app?

[–] dwemthy@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

So you can buy a subscription for the soft locked features like remote start. And so they get you to agree to a location tracking EULA. Got a VW this year and the dealership pushed the app really hard, apparently they have to pay VW a fee if they don't hit a quota for sign ups.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 6 points 12 hours ago

Why does car need to be an android app?

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't need it, it will drive just fine without app connection, but it provides convenient remote access and control capabilities.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 41 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I'd prefer a car that's entirely analog. What a crazy dream.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 20 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

My first car was a 1992 honda civic. As time went on and cars cot more modern, i yearned for a more modern car. Infotainment seemed like so much fun, all thr convenient knick knacks and gizmos.

Now, unironocally my dream car is my 1992 honda civic from back in the day

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Get me a '94 Camry with a nice stereo and I'll be happy.

This is the millennial midlife crisis vehicle. Not the Lamborghini or Ferrari or Porsche or Corvette. Nah. Something that I can leave behind for my descendants.

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[–] Zenlix@lemmy.ml 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just another shitty company.

[–] anon5621@lemmy.ml 66 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Holy crap I miss old times 2013 when nobody was even bothering and all bootloaders was unlocked by default no play integrity just do what u wanna do with ur own device

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