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[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 68 points 10 months ago

For privacy-minded people, hardware switches are a nice thing. I remember when I had a Xiaomi Mi 9T with its popup camera, and it was interesting to see that some websites would trigger said popup camera. While the camera was never actually used, the thing would go up and down. This was even with an ad blocker installed.

[-] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 10 months ago

I have a Mi 9 t pro. Never experienced anything like that.

While I do have hardened my settings, debloat with adb etc. privacy whise and use the EU MIUI rom.

Do you rememher said websites?

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Man, it has been a while, as I don't use the 9T as the daily phone now. I think I recall The Verge as one of the sites, because I wasn't expecting it from them. It happened only a few times, and it wasn't site-wide. Can't remember which pages triggered it though.

[-] msage@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

My friend had one, and Instagram would often pop it out and back in quickly. That was way back when though.

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[-] sim642@lemm.ee 51 points 10 months ago

Only mic and camera? It should also turn off GPS, accelerometer, etc. Filming the inside of my pocket isn't the biggest tracking concern. People are just afraid someone's watching them masturbate all the time.

[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

The article states that there is second switch to diaable wifi, data, gps etc that is essentially an airplane mode.

[-] ilovesatan@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

That's only a soft switch. A compromised device could turn them back on.

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[-] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Isn't GPS just 3 sattelites passively shouting their clock to any who could listen? There's no GPS kill switch because there's nothing transmitted. WIFI kill switch is more understandable.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Your point is solid. But GPS position requires a signal from at least 3 satellites to work. There are a whole lot more than 3 in the sky.

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[-] elouboub@kbin.social 49 points 10 months ago
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[-] mqvisionary@lemmy.ml 33 points 10 months ago

Like other phones, this most likely won’t have open source firmware.

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[-] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 31 points 10 months ago

Better off with a used pixel and grapheneos

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 39 points 10 months ago

Poorly yes. Even though

  • no headphone jack
  • super expensive
  • damn huge
  • no SD card slot
  • no hardware switches
  • repairable? Idk
[-] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 20 points 10 months ago
  • yeah no headphone jack is a bummer
  • a used pixel is cheaper than than
  • my pixel 5 seems pretty small, but idk what they are now or what that is so you're probably right
  • even bigger bummer than no headphone jack imo
  • I don't think those are that important, a piece of tape over the camera is fine imo
  • you're probably right there too, I wish fairphone could run grapheneos 😞
[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 9 points 10 months ago

Fairphones have no secure element. The devs may be annoying, but what they dont do for a second is waste time.

Hmm, camera maybe but tape? Also microphone is not that easy. GPS, phone antennas and internet antennas are also way shadier

[-] limerod@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago

Fairphone uses the latest snapdragon. Unless qualcomm messed up, their processors do support and have supported secure element for a while. What you probably meant was a dedicated secure element chip. That's present on tensor but not on most other smartphones.

[-] renohren@partizle.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fairphone uses Qualcomm snapdragon chips but they don't use chips made for mobile phones, it's chips for industrial use they buy, so the secure element might be missing. The reason is: they are supported for way longer which allows fairphone such long update periods. The shortlist of other phonemakers who can do the same are the ones who design their own chips: Google, Samsung, Apple.

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[-] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

I wasn't meaning to fault the grapheneos devs, like you said it's fairphones fault for not making it possible 😞

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[-] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Add very shitty on-screen-fingerprint reader to that list...

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[-] kvothelu@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

i really don't care about degoogling trusting some random ass company and their VPN.

[-] renohren@partizle.com 21 points 10 months ago

It's an e/ OS spin-off. Quite a trustable project.

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[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 29 points 10 months ago

There's no better kill switch than the ability to remove battery

[-] random65837@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Some would argue that phones dont work without power.

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 10 points 10 months ago
[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

That kind of defeats the purpose, though.

[-] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 5 points 10 months ago

Having your mic and camera disabled, but being connected to the internet kind of defeats the purpose aswell. It's better than nothing, but even with a device like that, powering it off doesn't gurantee that no one is tracking it. Taking off the battery does.

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[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I don't believe you. Tim Cook told me so.

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[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 5 points 10 months ago

Fairphone 5. Just got mine. Love it. I'm now waiting for the /e/ or, at least Lineage image to be released for it.

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[-] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'd still prefer a Pixel running GrapheneOS with aggressively-restrictive permissions.

[-] ilovesatan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I'd also like the ability to use sandboxed Google services.

[-] peter@feddit.uk 15 points 10 months ago

Interested in the built in VPN. Is that going to a monthly cost? If not, how are they funding it?

[-] TaintPuncher@lemmy.ml 37 points 10 months ago

By stealing and selling your private data, the cycle continues!

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 22 points 10 months ago
[-] otter@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

Yea that's the first thing that came to mind when I read that headline

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

They can take my nunchucks and they can take my Adderall... But they'll never take my

$27!!!

[-] Darken@reddthat.com 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For anyone wondering how to get the same feature on your device (not only mic-camera)

  • Go to developer settings (after enabling it)
  • Quick settings developer tiles
  • (enable) sensors off
  • Open your quick settings
  • (for Samsung) you will find the tile in the 1st row 1st position
  • (for aosp) you may need to add the sensors tile
  • now turn this tile on
  • now your camera, mic, gyroscope, etc... are off and apps will think that there's an error with the camera or some privacy policy rule being applied

⚪ Note: this does not turn off GPS, Bluetooth, wifi, or mobile networks

EDIT: forgot to mention (as comments said)

🔴 Warning: core system services can override this setting...

a phone call will have the mic working while app calls (Whatsapp..etc) will be muted

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

Core system services will still override that setting, just something to keep in mind

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[-] Oszilloraptor@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago

To further expand at least for samsung:

  • the mic will be re-enabled for regular phone calls
  • the mic won't be re-enabled for other calls, e.g. WhatsApp, Telegram, Whatsoever
[-] pathief@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

No 5G is a deal breaker for me.

[-] Rubanski@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago

You just get two COVID vaccinations instead, should kind of work the same

[-] Psythik@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Does it have a hardware switch to prevent apps from taking screenshots? I hate so much that they can do it at any time without you ever knowing.

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[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Where can I get more information? Is the software open sourced? Has it been independently audited?

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 8 points 10 months ago

Its /e/OS, a softfork of LineageOS, mostly superficial. Only GrapheneOS is extremely secure, although to be fair really degoogled LineageOS will probably be very nice too

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