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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/48700597

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/48700080

Monday, June 29 could become a defining day for online privacy in Europe.

The EU's final trilogue on Chat Control 2.0 could decide the future of one of the bloc's most controversial surveillance proposals. Critics warn it could pave the way for mandatory message scanning, encryption backdoors, and unprecedented access to private communications and potentially affecting apps like WhatsApp, Signal, and Telegram.

The decision won't just impact Europe. It could shape the future of encrypted messaging and digital privacy worldwide.

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[–] MarckDWN@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s frustrating how legislators still refuse to grasp the fundamental mathematics of cryptography. You cannot have a 'secure backdoor only for the good guys'. If a scanning pipeline is built into the client, the encryption is compromised by design. This isn't 'chat control' - it's the systematic dismantling of digital privacy under the guise of security.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 58 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm completely pro chat control. To make it more accepted, we just need to show that it's a good idea and lead by example! That's why I propose, to completely publish all communications of our politicians and those that they communicate with. This content trove will be reviewed with AI* to make sure that there are no bad guys hiding in the government, right? As always, if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear!

* AI - Audience Interest: every one of us is free to analyze everything and publish and discuss their findings publicly.

^/s?^

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 3 points 3 days ago

Theyre just following Zensursula leading by example

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They only have to win once... We have to win every single time 😔

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Honestly who is the they and how do we strip them of power. Getting caught attempting to coup or defraud people like this should be reason enough to lose the positions of power that they have.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -3 points 4 days ago

Þis will always happen when you play defense. Þe opposition should be trying to pass enduring legislation protecting a fundamental right to privacy. Sure, it's not 100% - e.g. women's rights in þe US - but it's better þan only ever reacting.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

This, and the EU Comission's response to SKG, are clear examples of the European Union's incoming, but hopefully not unstoppable, collapse.

Practically all of the EU's executive bodies are very evidently run by foreign powers. A proposal doesn't align with American interests? Denied. A new law can't get through voting 15 times in a row? Passed behind closed doors. The Comission's president is suspected of fraud? Oops, all communication accidentally deleted.

By the way, I'd identify myself as extremely pro-EU. But Von der Leyen has to go. The Comission has to either go or go through extensive reforms. The Parliament too, but less so than the Comission. Both European Council and Council of the European Union should be held more accountable as well.

Needless to say, none of these will happen. European democracy and human rights will likely keep being eroded. Until anti-EU sentiment grows beyond any chances of discussions. Then the Union collapses, and members states are left isolated, at the mercy of big players.

This is classic American Imperialism playbook. The empire has run this exact scheme countless times. Now the EU is in its sights. Russia is most likely involved too. Why wouldn't it be? As for China - I'm not sure. It's the only one of the three that actually has civilized talks with the EU, so I'd like to think it's not a part of this. Wishful thinking? Yeah, probably.

[–] minty@aussie.zone 30 points 4 days ago

Saying its for CSAM detection purposes is so devious. People absolutely see that and support it because naturally if your against this your supporting the proliferation of CSAM, which of course ridiculous given more then 1 minute of thought.

[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Most perpetrators of child abuse are the parents of the victim.

[–] vanillama@programming.dev 13 points 4 days ago

Yeah, or other relatives or friends of the parents

[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 17 points 4 days ago

Brilliant, this heatwave isn't hot enough. Let's burn even more electricity for nothing!

[–] Branny@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago

Instead of the link with more ads than paragraphs, here is the link to the actual initiative homepage:

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

With an easy-to-use form to find and message your MEPs

My country opposes it, but the number of countries that support limiting our liberties is absolutely staggering.

Let’s go Lemmy!

[–] alexquiniou@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

Oh god no ! Again ?!

[–] hoohoohoot@fedinsfw.app 3 points 4 days ago

As if I werent depressed enough already....

[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What does signal leaving europe mean? That i cant install it and recieve updates while in europe? Or that if it detects im in europe it wont function at all.

Just thinking about sideloading or location spoofing

[–] WaxRhetorical@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

There are always workarounds.
The issue is that most people will not go through these steps, so it just becomes the new normal. Everyone loses their privacy and the few that fight back are then labeled as contrarian and monitored/harassed. Wonderful world

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In Canada we're facing the same question. Our government just hurried through Bill C-22 without debate, which grants the government access to encrypted communications (so, compromised encryption) and mandates retention of metadata. Signal has said it will leave Canada if this becomes law, as have some VPN companies.

This is a worldwide coordinated attack on privacy and free speech, which is one reason why "I'll just VPN to another country" isn't a solution. And even if everyone finds technical workarounds and breaks the law together, it empowers governments to start enforcing the law selectively based on people's politics. Anyone organizing an environmental protest, a queer rights movement or a left-wing party will soon experience such selective enforcement.

[–] AzuranAurora@piefed.ca -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Why are you posting this article on 3 different accounts (this one, hoohoohoot and UnLocoPoco) with copy/pasted responses? Very bot-like behaviour.

[–] artiman@quokk.au 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

it's called cross-posts, it isn't copy-pasting and it isn't the same person.

[–] Patnou@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You ok man? Just checking in heard about the missles

[–] artiman@quokk.au 1 points 12 hours ago

yeah, there's no sounds for a few months now.

[–] lambalicious 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Guy. Bro. Crossposting has existed since 1570. Calling anything "bot-like behaviour" just because of vibes is so 2023.

[–] AzuranAurora@piefed.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Dude, I made a mistake and already deleted my post. I get it.