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Some DEs are focused on resource efficiency, but don't look fancy. Others are fancy, but require a fairly modern setup. I have KDE (Fedora) installed on my laptop, I love its look and options. But it is not always snappy, some little freezes occur as well, even in basic situations (opening Firefox and v2rayN simultaneously was one of the cases). The most problematic thing is almost every app taking around 2-3 secs to open its window.

Many people would just tell me to install Xfce, but I still want a fancy desktop, I believe it is something I can afford on my setup. First I thought of GNOME, but it is controversial: some sources report GNOME as well optimized even for low-end machines, other claim it is much heavier than KDE.

What it your experience with desktop environments and their performance? Perhaps you have compared various DEs within the same distro and setup? How performant GNOME actually is compared to KDE? What are the balanced options to explore?

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[–] jokro@feddit.org 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Regarding GNOME: I'm using it to on all my devices, low end to high end. I would suggest just trying it and see if you like it.

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[–] unbuckled_easily933@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

I like Cosmic because it’s a nice middle ground between something like sway and the more mature DEs (Gnome/KDE). The tiling experience is phenomenal but you can still use floating if you prefer. I have it on both my main machine (Gentoo) and my secondary (Fedora).

[–] procapra@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You probably want MATE, XFCE, LXQT, or god forbid Trinity.

Out of those, i personally find XFCE to be the most tolerable, and you can get some pretty decent looking themes setup for it. My system uses around 600mb on a cold boot, in theory I could get it down to 400mb but that comes with a good amount of drawbacks. CPU usage among all of those options is negligible.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

What distro do you use?

I found KDE to work better in some distros than others.

For instance Fedora KDE is not the best, I had it being sluggish last lime I tried it. Now I'm on Opensuse KDE and it's flawless.

Also I have found KDE surprisingly working better than XFCE, but I think most of that has been because wayland support.

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I use Fedora and KDE really sucks here. It is bearable only with minimal options and animations enabled. Only thing keeping me from ditching is that I'll have a long time picking something else that satisfies me, because I want a fancy desktop, but not a sluggish one. Have you seen a DE that features a couple of nice animations and effects and can mimic MacOS, but is lighter than KDE?

Xfce is just probably better optimized for X11 currently. Most of lightweight DEs probably are, I guess?

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Xfce is the king of stability, but it comes with a limited set of features.

You could try cinnamon, thought that would meant using linux mint, as cinnamon and linux mint come in a pack.

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Well, there still is a Cinnamon flavor of Fedora, maybe I'll try it

[–] fhein@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

If you want a DE which looks similar to KDE, try Xfce with Arc theme and some nice icon pack.

I use KDE (and it's snappy on my hardware) but I like it because it has a lot of features and advanced options which it tries to make easily accessible to the user. IMO this is pretty much the opposite of "modern", which is usually very minimalist, and UX designers like to remove or hide as much as possible. I've tried Gnome several times but personally I can't stand it just because it's a modern UI :) You try as many as you can and pick the one that suits you best of course, just thought it was funny that the same word can have different meanings to people.

[–] hyperreal64@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I use and love KDE Plasma. I don't tend to have performance issues, but I have pretty high-end hardware (per 2023). The performance should be dependent on your hardware. If KDE on your laptop has performance issues, then the only thing that will improve it is if you get a new laptop with better specs. Otherwise, I'd recommend Xfce, Mate, or possibly COSMIC. There have been a lot of improvements lately for Wayland support under Xfce. If you want to use Qt-based applications, then maybe LXQT would be right for you. It's like the love child of LXDE and KDE. I personally can't stand it myself, lol. It never felt right to me. But like, that's just me. As you may know, one's choice of desktop environment or window manager is highly subjective. So just try a bunch of things out. Don't use a VM to try them because it won't have the same feel as running natively. Maybe have a separate 'testing' partition where you install some distro and play around with various DEs and WMs. CachyOS makes it super easy to install them using meta packages.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

XFCE can look fancy too. Just look up some guide, how to set it up.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have you done any tuning of KDE? I run it in a virtual machine with no hardware video acceleration and it feels fine. Turning off the compositor and animations might make a big difference.

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've applied a MacOS theme (the one from zayronxio) and that's probably all. I don't know whether it uses the compositor or not, it is mostly just the dock and a couple of liquid glass widgets which seem to be snappy. I believe, there's no more animations than it was by default.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

If you look in the system settings under Hardware -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor there are some things you can tweak in terms of latency if it's enabled. I personally have "Enabled on startup" unchecked and my VM is pretty snappy - but my theme may be simpler as well. Try changing things there to see if you notice a change either way.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

and how does the default breeze without the eye candy and widgets behave?

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

The default theme behaves more or less the same. But if I'm not mistaken, the default theme was "Fedora"

[–] Hund@feddit.nu 6 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Have you looked at Cinnamon? It's modern and comes with a lot of features. It supports both X11 and Wayland.

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[–] dfgxx@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I recommend you to try a window manager, maybe niri, but with something like dank material shell or noctalia, it is very light and can look very fancy

[–] Opal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

New noctalia v5 is not quickshell based and uses even less resources.

[–] hasnep@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Depends on what you mean by a DE's "look", if you just mean the theme and layout then you can theme something like xfce or lxqt to look similarly modern.

I've not tried it, but you could try cosmic? Or switch to a tiling WM or a scroller like Niri which would be even lighter (with the caveat that it's lighter because it does less stuff for you by default).

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

gnome and kde have always been the most dramatically resource hungry of the whole linux/foss eco system; both were almost unusable back in the early aughts.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

This is absolutely nonsense!

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago

If you want low resource but pretty OOtB, Wayland's compositor Hyprland is pretty flash. It's not a DE, but it comes wiþ effects and styling built-in.

I don't use it; I don't use Wayland. WMs are basically ways for me to swap between full or minimally split-screen applications, and þere's not a lot of room þere for flashy. But Hyprland has a reputation for being pretty.

Getting rid of þe DE part is where you'll save þe most on resources.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have a 2010 laptop. Tried KDE and GNOME (as well as other DEs). I found KDE lagged on the laptop, and GNOME was super responsive. People told me it would be the opposite of that because GNOME was a heavy desktop, but it just caches stuff so its always ready and on a 15 year old laptop the cache was faster than the processor :)

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What is your RAM size or whatever the cache goes to (oops I have a gap in my computer knowledge)?

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

8gb RAM on that machine. kDE used less than GNOME, but when you check the memory stats the extra was cache, not bloat

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

Are you using Wayland or X11 as your Window Manager (WM)? I refuse to switch to Wayland because of how sluggish it feels on my Debian desktop.

Typically you can switch between the 2 on the login screen, usually in the bottom left or right.

[–] Hund@feddit.nu 4 points 4 days ago

I got about 20-25% better battery life when switching to Wayland with a fairly similar setup (Sway instead of i3).

If you experience performance issues, it's most likely a bug.

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[–] gabmus@retrolemmy.com 2 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I have mid computers from 2010 running that take far less than 2 seconds to open a browser, I think there's either some missing driver for your hardware or something wrong with your hardware in the first place. Please post your exact specs so that we can try giving you better advice.

Also worth noting that for modern-ish computers the desktop environment is the least offender when it comes to resource consumption. Any modern browser will use roughly at least 2x memory compared to the desktop environment.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

[...] almost every app taking around 2-3 secs to open its window.

This also happens if you have your system on a hdd instead of a sdd.

Not sure if that's normal. LibreOffice or a webbrowser for example take a while. A calculator or something small should open instantly.

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have an SSD. And it used to be snappy on Windows 10. The browser I use is not that bloated, again, it used to open instantly on Windows.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I think Browsers on Windows sometimes do dirty tricks and already load on boot (in the background). So once you click to "open" the browser, it's already in memory and pops up instantly. That might be the reason why it's instand on Windows, and takes time on Linux.

Both my browsers on Linux also take 2-3s to open. Though I regularly don't notice. I'll just leave the browser open all day, because I need it all the time. I closed and re-opened it right now, and it definitely also takes a very few seconds on my machine with a GNOME desktop.

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[–] Thorned_Rose@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Have you considered going DEless? Its been a while since I did but back then I was able to get a modern looking system with Openbox (amongst others but thats what I settled on). I dont know what the state of DEless windows managers are these days but I've seen some very nice looking setups. Might be something to consider?

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