This is only half the argument we need to be making though, because if the disk is just a DRM unlocker then we still don't have real ownership and all these problems still exist.
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At some point having a hard drive will become illegal.
Honestly if you don't see the inherent problem with:
I can pay money for a thing ->
Thing can suddenly vanish from existence ->
This is not theft, You are due no recompence ->
This is totally fine, actually.
... Just straight up, you have a mental disability if you think this is fine. You are cognitively impaired, you should not be trusted with any kind of decision making.
You're just telling everyone you are a-ok with being robbed, in some certain set of conditions... any exploitative person or entity that has any experience exploiting people knows that you just have to construct a narrative/experience where the conditions of being robbed that you will accept, slowly expand and grow over time.
You are telling the world you are easy to scam and trick. And in a world where you need money to continue existing, in the vast majority of cases... this is functionally suicidality or at least self-harm/self-destructive behavior.
This is a subsection of the Great Filter. If you can't pass this test, sorry, you're fucked, you are too stupid to persist much longer in your environment.
This is such a logically dubious position to attempt to maintain and argue for that I very truly cannot see another explanation for it other than... the person that holds that position genuienly is cognitively diminished.
If buying isnt owning, then piracy isnt theft
Like most people who aren't up in arms about this TechnicallyTee hasn't actually given it a seconds worth of thought. "Well I don't play games on disc" it's such a surface level retort. If you're not going to spend 10 seconds actually thinking about it, why have you bothered to make a comment?
"Well I don't have anything I think I need to hide, so privacy doesn't matter!"
Same vibe.
The problem is that we dont spend this time complaining about any other consumer product like games. As if you need them to eat and live.
Don’t buy Sony products. Fucking done. What is there to complain about and give free advertising labor to Sony over? Outrage is retention wearing clown makeup. They are playing you all.
Thanks to population size and people never agreeing on anything, even a common cause. Voting with your wallet doesn't work anymore.
Though don't get me me wrong, it should still be done especially in the light of last weeks news of sony removing digital goods. Just that the insignificant hit we can do is completely undone by the masses still buying.
I still haven't pre-orderd any game or paid above 59,99, but those things are still getting more popular.
which masses are buying?
Here you go. Ps5 already sold 90 million units. https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Sony Or https://www.gamesmarket.global/financial-results-sonys-playstation-division-recorded-strong-growth-but-the-outlook-remains-cautious-1a5ecfa83784106c362f1205c86bc396/
So basically just sony made already record profits from game sales.
It's not exactly good advertising is it.
there are so many amazing free pc games with no microtransactions, how are physical releases someones only way to play games?
In this big beautiful world, physical media is the most convenient way to play your games without hassle
without hassle
Disk read error
Ownership is a lie we tell ourselves to cope with a world that is perpetually impermanent.
Somebody needs to invent a way to rip your entire library on steam to portable installation cartridges so you just plun-n-play them
A significant number of games on Steam can literally just be ctrl c ctrl v'd into another directory, snd still more or less work, or be made to work if you ... configured Proton through Not-Steam,.for them.
Mostly only games on Steam that have some kind of always online DRM are going to throw a shitfit in that scenario.
People seem to forget that Steam and Source were built from the ground up to support what is I guess now the 'old school' way of modding a game: you just literally throw more shit into the game directory, edit what is already there, etc.
You can add /any exe/ external to Steam, to Steam, and run it via Proton. ... /any exe/.
I've managed to get fucking Cascadeur working on Linux, via Steam/Proton, lol... there are a few games I tinker with where the model or anim ripper scripts only work on Blender 3.6 for Windows... So, download Win Blender 3.6, add to Steam/Proton, run, install Windows only plugin. Voila! Bit of jank, but it does work.
Any game that somebody has figured out how to do the equivalent of... some kind of script extender, to enable mods to do more kinds of stuff?
The way those work is they basically hijack or replace the original game exe.
Any game that has been reverse engineered to this extent, you can get to run independent of Steam.
I've done it with CyberPunk 77, NewVegas, etc, toying with my own mod making attempts. Its not too hard to futz with configs and launch arguments to launch straight into the main CP77 exe, just skip the launch/loader thing.
You can actually just do this kinds shit for quite a lot of games.

I've never actually tried this but presumably I can just download the games on Steam and then uninstall Steam and the game should still work right as long as they're not even the steam folder. After all you can put games on Steam so presumably you can take them off.
It shouldn't be that hard. I may look into this.
Really it's just install the game, copy the local files and apply the steam crack (for most games), maybe repack it into a nice packed executable with some lightweight compression of the files for easier storage.
I suppose the worst thing would be to manage the exceptions to the rule, games that use other drm, or that maybe need some tweaking for the steam crack to work,nor maybe need to create some extra folders to work. But for most simple games it should me enough.
Imagine having an entire library of modern games on cartridge. Look up what game to play, grab it from the shelf, No DRM, put it into a cartridge bay and hit a switch, and the computer copies part of it to RAM and runs it. Just like N64, but 10,000x bigger.
People do keep trying to make modern "retro style" consoles. But the problem is they always have limited processing capacity so they're always quite niche. Also the price of having to put everything on a cartridge of some kind would probably mean you wouldn't get indie games on the platform.
I'd imagine indies could release "special editions" with physical SD cards sent out for collectors and fans about a year after release. There's some indie games where I'd definitely buy that.
And even if the cartridges didn't have DRM, so what? They already made a lot of their money
The crazy thing is, there's no actual reason we can't own digital copies of the media. We could easily own the rights to a digital copy, the game and movie industry has just unanimously decided that they won't allow that.
GOG DRM-free digital games are ownership
Yep, but it's also like insanely easy to pirate (good or bad, you decide). I guess op means a system where you have your (digital) copy and can sell, give or lend it, but still it would be "protected", and big business doesn't allow that.
I remember handing a younger sibling my copy of Dragon Quest 9 when I was about 12-14, it was maybe the earliest memory of me truly understanding the joy of giving someone something I felt was special. I wanted them to get a bit of the magic I got from the adventures that game took me on. I would be so overjoyed when they would update me on their play through, remembering parts that stuck out to me, hearing parts they loved that I had forgotten about. Sure you can absolutely still experience that joy of giving a gift, my friend group buys steam games for each other all the time. But that was my 1 copy of the game (at the time), I remember them hesitating cause they knew how much I loved it. And I think that made the game mean more to them.



