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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 3 points 41 minutes ago

So what I go to one lollipop convention and suddenly everyone thinks I'm a registered republican? Sounds a bit fucked up to me.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (6 children)

This thread is a firestorm but I'm going in, wish me luck.

I think is a connotations game here. Lolicon have less bad connotations than paedophile.

The world paedophile makes you think of a criminal, someone who have content that was made hurting children. Someone who probably has hurt children themselves. Despite the more profound consideration that a paedophile might or might not act on their impulses, the connotation on the word is that.

Then there is the word lolicon. That word have a different connotation. Here you think about some anime geek with terabytes of drawn naked kids. But you don't tend to associate their behavior with real kids. Regardless on the possibility that lolicons do hurt children or also have material that hurt children. The connotation of the word is that their obsession only focus on the drawn naked children.

Most people in general consider drawn pictures of children less harmful or even not harmful at all compared to actually abusing kids. So one word really doesn't have the same weight as another.

Then, we have the question. Using a word with more/less weight is justified here or not?

We all now some paedophiles have rebranded themselves as MAPS, precisely trying to shake of the bad connotations of paedophile.

Is this the same case? Is using lolicon trying to evade the "paedophile tag" or is it something actually different?

I get the disgusting feeling about lolicon. But personally I do think is essentially different to what we normally think about a paedophile. If someone told me "X is a paedophile" I would as "so are they in jail?". But if someone tells me that "X is q lolicon" I won't assume that they have done something deserving jail time, I'll probably be wondering if they are also a paedophile, but the fact that I think of it as an "addition" means to me that those are not the same.

On another differentiate fact. I think it's not uncommon for people to accidentally see lolicon, it has happened to me. Looking for some yaoi you might end up opening a lolicon manga, or maybe you watch an anime and it has some lolicon tones. The normal reaction is not liking it and move on, but it's not a traumatic experience. I have luckily never watch CP but if somehow it was accidentally showed to me I think it would be a traumatic experience that probably would scar me for life.

So, on the bases that I think different things when I think about each of those words I do not think that's an accurate translation.

Then there is the question to people who do think those two terms are the same. Do you truly think those two terms refer to the same thing or you just feel so disgusted by lolicon that you want the term lolicon to be viewed with as much disgust as people see paedophile?

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago

There are a lot of arguments on the internet about it, your moral compass usually dictates where you land on it. Personally I think any sexualizing of a child (deliberately or not) is wrong, so the words carry the same meaning.

That said, in anime, it's often used as a way for a kid to call an adult a pervert or a weirdo, the way kids call strangers names all the time. So there is a difference in tone between "go away weirdo" and "aren't you that felon who got convicted for CSAM" but arguing the finer points of it doesn't help your case from a moral ground.

Arguing over drawn vs real is like that joke about a pedophile vs an ephebophile, there is technically a difference, but knowing that and debating it makes you sound like a pedophile.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 59 minutes ago (2 children)

Okay so maybe a dumb question, but is lolicon a sexual thing? I know that hentai exists obviously and there's of course overlap, but I always took loli to mean the "cute" anime kids, like that Anubis kid that blocks bot traffic.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 44 minutes ago

I thought loli was the subject and lolicon was the pedo.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 46 minutes ago

I guess it's not.

Same as yaoi or yuri, it doesn't need to be sexual. I'm not actually expert on the matter.

I remember watching this famous anime "made in abyss" the drawing style is clearly loli, and there are some heavy loli tones on it. But as far as I've seen there's no sexual content in it, (though I've read that the author is indeed shady about sexual content involving minors).

That gives another differentiate factor. There are people that might like lolicon just for the cuteness like hello kitty or something like that. I didn't actually thought about that.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, to my knowledge lolicon is very specifically about the attraction aspect without any accusations beyond that, while paedophile has different connotations (in spite of originally having that same meaning). But then the word lolicon in english has that specific meaning about drawn children which is also not what the word means in japanese. So there's not really a 100% right way to translate it, but going by the context that anime characters tend to say lolicon in, translating it as paedophile seems more likely to be misleading about the actual situation portrayed.

Whether it should be treated as lightly as it often is in anime is a whole different discussion and I'd say it shouldn't but it's completely valid to question the translation imo

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Huh, I just learned something new, "lolicon", thanks to your explanation. I don't get the attraction to it and I will need to consider what I think about the term, and it's meaning. But at first exposure, I don't think I like the idea.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I like the meta layer of it. For the girl in the show they're identical concepts because she IS a drawn child.

Otherwise all your points are valid though they leave a bad taste in my mouth. In Canada drawn CP is basically treated the same as actual CP by the courts which feels a bit extreme.

For the purposes of child pornography laws, a “person” includes both actual and imaginary human beings including drawings from the imagination, cartoons, or computer-generated composites

The definition of child pornography includes any person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years.

https://talkingforchange.ca/understanding-child-pornography-laws-in-canada-what-you-need-to-know/

It also has minimum sentences of 1 year for a "felony count" and 6 months otherwise

(4) Every person who possesses any child sexual abuse and exploitation material is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-163.1.html

I've never really considered how arbitrary this law feels until you put together that message. Record live actual CSAM is the same as downloading a sketchy anime apparently.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

Yeah, I find I have some confusion about drawn pictures and even photographs of naked children from back in the day.

Is that 300 year old painting of naked cherubs CP? We don't know if the painter was a pedo or not. Or is that "cute" photo of me that my Grandmother took of me running bare-assed naked away from my Mother through the house as a toddler because I didn't want to have a bath CP? Or maybe it's not because the photo is now 60+ years old and that was a different time? What would the same photo taken by Grandma today be considered?

What makes the difference? And when do we apply that difference to make the determination?

[–] hedorov446@lemmy.cafe 1 points 3 hours ago

Honestly i think of them as similar and to be honest when i first saw the post i though breaking news completely ordinary thing

^*damage^

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 7 hours ago

Sounds about right.

[–] Morph9@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 hours ago

When it works. it works.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago
[–] regdog@lemmy.world 200 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 85 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (11 children)

In this context, the translation is absolutely correct in my opinion. I can't really think of a context where "lolicon" being translated to pedophile would be incorrect. -con like siscons, brocons, etc are complexes or obsessions. Lolicon is a complex or obsession with, drawn or not, prepubescent minors.

Loli, not lolicon, can refer to both an individual who looks like the target of a lolicon (a prepubescent minor), or is short for Lolita fashion, which is meant to be a cute fashion style inspired by Victorian-era dress with archetypes like goth-loli.

For those wondering why Japan, a very shame based culture, feels more accepting of this, and why it seemingly appears in anime/manga culture so much, CSAM possession was legal, technically, up to 2014. CSAM production and dissemination only started being legislated in 1999, with much pressure from the west. Again, it is absolutely abhorrent and a crime, but culturally in Japan, many feel they are being forced to adapt at a rapid pace. There's a tangential relation between western conservatives and Japan when it comes to acceptance and cultural change (I wasn't referring to pedocon theory, but hey, it's a theory like gravity at this point with it being proven each passing month.)

Bonsai Pop's video on the Rurouni Kenshin mangaka goes into detail on this as he was found with a massive collection of this material. Which, again, was legal for him to own 3 years prior (he was arrested in 2017) regardless of how ethically abhorrent it was. Which it absolutely is. I believe his case was a case of hurt people hurt people in that he was abused as a minor and developed his complex. He never directly harmed children as far as we know, but he did own a large CSAM collection, which absolutely furthers a climate in which exploitation thrives. It's believed he was likely being used as an example by the state given how public the arrest was while how minor the punishment was.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I can’t really think of a context where “lolicon” being translated to pedophile would be incorrect.

You're too dense to understand not every attraction is sexual in nature.

That aside, this translation is cancerous because term lolicon exists in both languages and Funimation fucked it up on purpose.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 minutes ago

Humbert Humbert romanticizes his attraction as well, claiming it is something pure and beautiful, an attraction to purity and innocence.

Lolita complex. Lolicon.

If we're talking about dense, you just fit the definition to a T while denying it.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Japanese react to imposing of our morals on them like westerners would react to criminalization of drinking alcohol. I wonder how strange and abhorrent elements of our culture must look to them.

Then again, I consider french to be weird and borderline pro-crime for prohibiting the paternity tests...

[–] cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The Japanese chuds think they should be the ones imposing their culture.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No, impossible! They are not white enough for that! /s

They literally formally are. It was granted during the interwar period. Ask an old Chinese person.

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