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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 119 points 2 days ago (6 children)

So Trump wants us to believe that elections were fine when he won in 2016, but then got compromised under him for the 2020 election, but then Biden cleaned it up I guess so that he could fairly win the 2024 election?

Uh huh.

[–] VeryVito@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago

Yep, as I see it, he only claims the election held during his in office was compromised. So yeah, sounds like we found the issue.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

but then Biden cleaned it up so that he could fairly win the 2024 election.

Oh that’s an angle more people need to play up “Biden did a great job so you had a fair election!” that would really mess with him.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I doubt it. "We won by such a huge margin that even their cheating couldn't stop us". It's fake strongman verbiage, it's appealing to their base's desire to believe that everyone is on their side, and it's obviously untrue on multiple levels. It's perfectly on-brand for them in every way.

[–] Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Every accusation is a confession with trump

He knows he lost 2020 fairly

He just wants everyone else to think otherwise

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

You said it.

[–] Ariselas@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago

or the other way to think about it is that maga did the rigging and still lost in 2020

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

No no no, it's not about the mechanics. It's about degrading confidence in this November. Trump Rule of Acquisition number 13: 1000 lies are enough to forget what's true

[–] ZeroCool@piefed.ca 127 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.” - David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic (2018)

Bonus reading materials: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-document.html

[–] aarch0x40@piefed.social 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

They’re a group with a long history of not being able to take no for an answer. Why else would Mike Johnson need to provide them cover?

They’re a group with a long history of not being able to take no for an answer.

Why else do so many of them have a history of rape and sexual assault

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Narrator: They did in fact, also abandon conservatism.

[–] Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

America is at the point it is worthy of study by anthropologists

[–] Zier@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago

I think you meant psychologists.

[–] breezeblock@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Every accusation is a confession

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago

Accusation in a mirror, a propaganda and hate speech technique.

These people for sure studied how such propaganda works. And if you listen closely, the patterns of speech give it away. I have seen it used in the Brexit debate, and it already smelled like Fascism to me.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It has never been truer than with this group of people.

As a rule I bet it has a 100% hit rate. To the extent that it seems like they havent done every single thing they’ve accused the other side of, it’s only be they either don’t have the ability yet or it hasn’t been discovered yet.

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[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If he has actual evidence, then where are the criminal charges for the individuals who committed these felonies? Oh? There are no charges? Because there's no actual evidence that would hold up in court? Hmm. This sounds like a conman selling snake oil to me. I'm not stupid enough to buy it. I feel bad for anyone falling for this. It's like campaign promises about not starting any wars. Lies from an evil politician.

[–] ZeroCool@piefed.ca 14 points 2 days ago

Yep, all he does is lie and his supporters eat it up. It's so goddamn frustrating dealing with these people as they parrot whatever baseless nonsense Trump's ranting about on any given day. And the moment they can't lie to themselves anymore they just move on to the next line of bullshit. Trump voters are Charlie Brown to Trump's Lucy Van Pelt.

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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

“Trump announces vast conspiracy to commit and cover up election fraud”

[–] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's MASSIVE ELECTION FRAUD happening Right NOW!

-Republicans 6 Months BEFORE an Election!

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He even said that current voting machines are vulnerable and corrupted... So he shouldn't even be President right now.

[–] III@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did Trump decide he needed yet another loss in courts?

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[–] TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 30 points 2 days ago (4 children)

You know, he sometimes sounds like my father did when he was in his 80’s and had had a couple of strokes.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago

Being on some hardcore blood thinners after a mini-stroke(s) could explain the hand bruising. Along with like a million other things, admittedly

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[–] ulkesh@piefed.social 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While it won’t solve the systemic problem of sheer evil and complete idiocy in the Republican Party, I cannot wait until this asshole is dead and gone just so I no longer have to see, read about, or hear the ugly gasbag anymore.

Here’s hoping for that well-earned and exceedingly painful deadly heart attack to arrive soon.

While it won’t solve the systemic problem of sheer evil and complete idiocy in the Republican Party, I cannot wait until this asshole is dead and gone

Agreed on both counts.

While Trump is an especially malignant tumor rather than the underlying cancer, a tumor can still itself kill you if not excised in time.

[–] don_kiedyck@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Bullshit.

However, speaking of documents, show us those Epstein files.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This asshole alleges all kinds of shit, and has never backed any of his claims up.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago

No no no, this time they are doing the fraud! It’s just him being too dumb to keep his stupid mouth shut.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Here's the thing, He didn't say anything that we didn't already KNOW. He stepped out there and used the big fancy word 'declassified', but EVERYTHING, he said that was even half true we knew about.

And half of that stuff that he's trying to scream about the democrats tried to fix with election protections during Biden's run and before. The Republicans blocked the bill (of course).

He conflated multiple issues that we have been discussing around elections for decades, but none of the actual votes were the issue.

The China hack? It happened. It was demographic data. We knew that.

Are our voting machines easy to manipulate? We knew that, but not via wifi hacking typically and not at the national scale. The risk was firmware iirc not remote hacks.

Then, he mentions foreign elections, which had nothing to do with us.

The time it takes to count all votes? We knew that. Mail in ballots take time to count, and elections are usually called well before final counts.

I noticed Russia was constantly absent from his list of meddlers. But bots were rampant during elections, especially about Biden and Hillary.

He basically took everything that independent studies have said over the last 20 years and conflated it directly with voting machines.

The outright lies were obvious. Dead people voting, etc. But a lot of it was twisted just enough. It was, as usual, outrageous.

[–] Ozzy@piefeed.com 13 points 2 days ago

Who still remembers 6th January 2021.

His speech is another dog whistle to mage cult and supporting media.
A dog whistle to those who are willing to destroy what America is supposed to represent in exchange for power and the biggest grift in history.

World leaders should be watching very closely and think about doing deals with the tyrant’s administration

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago
[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

Trump says a lot of things. None of them are true.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

70-80% of what he said were things we already knew about, tried to fix, and got blocked by republican stone walling in previous administrations. None of what was true dealt with actual vote tampering but interfering with people's opinions and who they voted for.

If he really declassified serious documents, then he knows that. Especially because independent studies from peer-reviewed third parties dropped those reports pretty consistently. It's just been a decade of non-stop bullshit so it's hard to remember, but he didn't say anything we didn't already know, and actual voting was never the problem.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So... the guy who has lied and continues to lie about 21 times a day, far more than any other president...

Even though he doesn't deserve it, if we gave him the benefit of the doubt, he has actual proof of such serious accusations, right? Waiting for it...

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago

It's always projection for the Felon-in-Chief

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

I wonder what the odds are that he's lying, based on the tens of thousands of previous times he's lied? I know what a Bayesian would say.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

It's always projection with the orange pedo.

[–] shittydwarf@piefed.ca 11 points 2 days ago

Uh yeah, by the GOP

[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 10 points 2 days ago

Like 2016, and how Russia got you elected Donnie? Crickets on that? Only after that the fuckery started? Every accusation is a confession with these ppl.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

He's really desperate to keep those cover-ups going.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Surprisingly tame if that's all the hype was about tbh

[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think he really was planning to go in with the crazy grandpa shit, but the party got wind of it, and they got worried because his off-the-cuff remarks have been especially bat shit for a while now. They convinced whichever of the one or two members of the inner circle who have his ear this week that they should talk him out of it. He still had to say something, so he said whatever this was.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"They're eating the cats. They're eating the DOGS!"

For example.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

"No that's not photoshop. It's MS13 right on his knuckles."

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[–] SW42@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I just read the title. Why is he admitting it before the election?

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Up next is probably trump getting mad we're ignoring his unfounded conspiracy rants and ~~using~~ abusing the cell phone Presidential Alert system that we're not allowed to opt-out to shove it in our faces against our will.

[–] Vince@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So 3 networks ignored his speech, maybe they can just keep ignoring him?

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

CBS aired it, just like Goebbels would've liked.

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