Their values are bad sure, but does it not matter that they're also just wrong? does the truth not motivate people?
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Define truth?
No religion in existence is correct in their assertions.
Especially Christianity, not even.internally consistent.
The truth is that all religions are wrong and bullshit
I stopped going to church when the pastors started getting political.
If a church is telling you who to vote for they need to lose the tax free status, and operate under the rules of a business.
Anyone who becomes associated with MAGA is going to have serious problems being accepted into polite society when this is over. We aren't going to forget who you are, what you did, and what you wanted to do.
Ford, Hugo Boss...
The study was funded by the Lilly Endowment.
If any christian groups want to hand me absurd amounts of money for me to tell them why they're losing donations I can be found here on lemmy. I don't get out of bed for less than $10mil US, though.
Evangelical / Prosperity Christianity is quite literally the creed of Mammon.
If there is a Hell (there's not), I'll be torturing them for eternity.
Hard to believe in Mammon without believing in the rest of the Christian merry-go-round.
But maybe the Calvinists were correct. Maybe there's a few hundred thousand people who get to be Saved and the rest are Preordained to just go ping-ponging off into this or that heresy.
Who said anything about *believing *in Mammon?
The US is probably one of the furthest nations from actual "christian values".
There are no actual christian values. It's all deadly bullshit.
Would Jesus heal the sick? Nope. Not unless they entertain his racism.
Would Jesus feed the poor? Not when he could waste valuable resources on himself in a useless, vain ceremony.
It is narcissism. The only consistent christian value I can discern is "I will do anything if I think it will please god (my own ego)."
You nailed it. That and Divine Command Theory. If God says it's good, then it's good (but only according to my interpretation of my translation of copies of copies of oral traditions).
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Probably the only good thing this shitstain pedo has ever done.
To be fair there are some actual christian churches that actually preach and try to do the things jesus preached. feed and cloth the poor and encourage the same in society. but then you have members who attend but are hypocrites sorta bringing them down. as an athiest I am actually a little more accepting of religion seeing the earnest ones who participate in protests.
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If young adults are anything like this older adult, they just don't want to have to hear positive things about Trump from anybody.
He's just such a transparently blatant villain and ignoramus.
The moment somebody says that they like Trump, I lose all respect for them. And I just feel sad that this is the state of humanity. I don't like feeling that way, so I avoid places where I might come into contact with people like that.
the one good thing you can say about Donald Trump is that he made it very easy to identify sociopaths, narcissists, the breathtakingly stupid, basically any morally repulsive or idiotic person you would not care to engage with long-term; before, you had to actually go and interact with these people for longer than five minutes to find out how awful they were, sometimes for a good long while before they'd show their hand. In the beginning, his first term, you didn't even have to get near these people let alone speak to them, the ubiquitous red hats gave it away from a hundred yards.
By now some of them have started to realize the hats give it away (and some, I'm sure, have started to second-guess their choice of candidate, even if they won't admit it), but they still don't take very long to open their mouth about how much they love the orange fuck.
A person's politics say more about them than just who they vote for, and supporting Trump tells you just about everything you'd need to know about a person and whether or not engaging with them is worth it. For that I am actually somewhat genuinely grateful, the hats everywhere during his first term made it really easy as an autistic person to avoid those people like the plague.
The other good thing you can say about Trump is that he's old & will be dead sooner rather than later.
The same "avoid people who have positive things to say about Trump" policy drove me right out of the country.
Lucky. Where'd you end up?
It's almost like he's antithetical to everything Christ ever preached or something.
Frankly I'm surprised more Christians don't reject him on that principle, but then, religion has never been based in logic.
That's because most Americans don't read, so most American Christians have never read the Bible, and have no idea what Jesus was about other than whatever they hear preached at their church... Which is often wildly off.
Now, being Christian is more of a cultural identifier, a team sport, with no real coherent theology or philosophy underpinning it.
What made me leave the church and ultimately Christianity was how they defended being pro-life.
Christians would have voted in Satan himself he would promise an end to abortion.
I've had countless Christians in 2016 say "Yeah, Trump is a bad guy but I know he'll end abortion."
They never realized that their desire for an end to abortion meant the election of the devil. And now they worship him at the alter of Trump and still call themselves Christians.
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I can thank Trump for being what pushed me to becoming an atheist. Trump is the antithesis of the kindness the bible attempts to preach, and seeing christians blindly follow him is what made me rethink everything.
The bible attempts to normalize or even glorify abuse all the way through. It is one of the worst sources anyone could get their morality from.
And yet some stuff like the golden rule are pretty alright teachings. I'm atheist for a good reason because I don't want to associate with religious bigots. But I'm not going to ignore also somewhat valuable lessons.
I like the golden rule, but I have two issues with your response.
First, Jesus did not invent the golden rule. It was around at least 1500 years before his birth.
Second, if someone hands me a bowl of shit that has a handful of cherries scattered throughout it, is it really worth my time to sift through all that shit when I could get fresh cherries from somewhere else? I ate the shitty cherries for years, they nearly killed me.
Many modern believers are trying to pretend that empathy is a sin, an attitude associated with the Trump presidency. An alarming number of people can't tell the difference between the cherries and the shit. Those who lack critical thinking are easily swayed one way or another by those who want us fighting each other instead of the rich.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/is-empathy-a-sin-some-conservative-christians-argue-it-can-be
Right. We're still pretty much on the same page and that's good to know, I never knew that.
Regardless it's ultimately my point of view that I can acknowledge the good from bad. I can condemn the rest of the bowl of shit and I do. But I can't control those with peanut brains and can't think for themselves. I've tried. It's worthless. And they're not worth it.
But I can't control those with peanut brains and can't think for themselves. I've tried. It's worthless. And they're not worth it.
I was abused because too many people gave up on accountability. I understand it is a frustrating uphill battle, but I think giving up on changing minds is effectively murder-suicide. Division is unsustainable, and the only thing that unites us is truth itself.
I try my best to do what I believe is right, but it is difficult with broken foundations and decades of bad habits forcibly programmed into me. I am still figuring out how I can help more effectively. I have a lot of pain and anger. I am frustrated because every day, there are more victims. It feels like not enough people are doing enough.
I do understand taking a break to recover sanity, and I understand that we can't change every mind right away. I still think it is one of the most important things every person can do: spread truth and challenge assumptions, call out fallacies, correct mistakes. I feel a bit more strongly about it than most because I know there are victims suffering worse than I have. I see casual, selfish stupidity directly enabling the rise of deadly christofascism, covering genocides, protecting pedophiles, etc. It is difficult for me to avoid a desperate, confrontational tone. Thank you for your patient responses.
I hope more people become aware to the harm that superstition does. I think they would act differently if they realized what is at stake.
48% is a disturbingly low.
Or, it is shockingly high for a poorly designed survey question. If you were already at a 0% chance of attending church then you could reasonably respond "strongly disagree" and that resolution is completely lost.
Personally, I don’t go to church for a lot of reasons. The “Christian right’s” willingness to overlook his empty promises and obnoxious false idolize is a recent addition to that list. So I would agree that it makes me less likely to do something I already had no intention of doing.
I mean, I wouldn't answer that as a primary reason either. That doesn't mean the other 52% see no issue or want to go to church because of Trump. There are so, so many other issues I have with mainstream Christianity that evangelical support of Trump wouldn't be in the top 10 reasons I wouldn't go to church.
According to the research, 48% of respondents said they agree with the statement “Christians’ support of Trump has made me less likely to go to church.”
Personally, if I wasn't planning on ever going in the first place, I wouldn't agree with that statement either.
Different perspective: if 48% of your house's foundation were leaning, you'd think that was disturbingly high.
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By the standards of the faithful, their support of Trump does make it painfully obvious that the majority of "Christian" churches in the US preach values which are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ.
Any genuine "follower of Christ" would not follow religious leaders or go to religious institutions who teach values such as "hate thy fellow man for not being born here", which are a lot closer to devil worship than to the values Christ preached.
Such "Christian" leaders and institutions having devil worshiping values also neatly explains their adoration of Mammom.
You don't need to be an Atheist to figure out that these "churches" aren't on the side of Good.
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Christianity = loving Trump
Not a great look
TIL at least 48% of Adults don't go to church.
THANK YOU. Sometimes the view from the Southern US down here has me thinking every dude is obsessed with JC and the Holy Ghost crew.
Still, tho, were I a Christian I'd go to church and denounce the shits for the frauds they are. "this shit ain't christlike!"
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I was a "Christian" and that was good enough until these Christofascists showed their true colors, somewhere between Westboro and Tiki Torch Nazis. Now I want nothing to do with any religion but especially not Christianity.
More context:
The Billy Graham Center Research Institute surveyed 2,365 Gen Z adults, ages 18-28. The study was funded by the Lilly Endowment.
Missing entirely is what percentage of those people ever considered going to church in the first place. I think we all know why that data is missing lol
I’m not religious in any way, shape, or form, but if I got a loaded survey like this about a politician I didn’t like, I’d be counted in the people saying they’re less likely to attend church because of said politician.
Right. We're still pretty much on the same page.
Regardless it's ultimately my point of view that I can acknowledge the good from bad. I can condemn the rest of the bowl of shit and I do. But I can't control those with peanut brains and can't think for themselves. I've tried. It's worthless. And they're not worth it.
So 52% of young adults did not come to that conclusion. Isn't that the real story here?
I don’t like how they phrase these stars. 52% are then “not less likely.”
Were some of them not likely to attend anyway? Or whatever “likelihood” they were considering attending (regardless of how high or low that likelihood is) were not affected by trump support.
So I’m not really sure how useful that info really is.
"Thou shat have no other gods before me!", I forget who said that. Was that trump?
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