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Curious how lemmy servers are paid for. Is it donation?

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[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 93 points 1 year ago

As others have already said ... donations.

Something to keep in mind though is how cheap per user this whole thing can be.

Here's the admin of mastodon.world and lemmy.world outlining their financials: https://blog.mastodon.world/april-and-may-2023-financial-update

They're actually making money off of donations.

And if you look at the monthly costs (~500 Euro / month) and their Monthly Active Users (~35k), that turns out to be ~0.2 Euro per year. Without a need for profits, marketing, bloated features etc, the actual cost of social media per user per year is something we'd all be willing to pay (IMO).

Now obviously there aren't salaries in that calculation. Moderation, admin-ing etc are all done voluntarily AFAIK, just like sub-reddit mods were on Reddit. Though, again, if someone wants moderating/admin-ing to be a side hustle of some sort, we all don't need to donate much for there to be actual livable salaries (or supplementary salaries) in this kind of work. In fact, I think it'd be cool if social media went in that direction where organising popular and nice community spaces was just a thing you could do for a living with the skill and talent it requires being of recognised value.

Lemmy.world, as an instance, has 7 admins and 25k Monthly Active Users. If each donated $5 per year, that's ~17k per year for each admin. Not a full salary, but maybe not bad for a part-time side hustle!

[-] Kettellkorn@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Reading this kind of made me see the way that Lemmy gets bigger and better than Reddit. If there’s money to be made here, even a small amount, people will migrate over.

[-] insomniac@vlemmy.net 9 points 1 year ago

Crazy what can happen when you don’t need to pay back investors and hire teams of developers to optimize ad revenue. Not to take away from the heroic development efforts that have gone in to the backend and all of the apps that are popping up. It’s cool what we can accomplish when you cut out the venture capitalists.

[-] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago

Yup, paid for by donations 😊 server requirements aren't super high since it's primarily functioning as link aggregation and doesn't have to host a lot per server.

[-] Noedel@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Makes you wonder about reddit api pricing...

[-] kratoz29@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Playing the devil's advocate here... They also (badly) host videos so maybe that's something... But for that pricing, they are just greedy fucks.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The majority of their expenditures are salary and rent. They've hired on a shit ton of investors 'friends' as upper MGMT and pay them loads to do shit work.

The API price is calculated by what they expect to pull in from ad revenue, which is insanely overinflated to make the bottom line look good for IPO.

Give 'em a couple months, maybe a quarter. When ad-rev is crap, they'll lay off another load and send spez packing.

[-] quixotic120@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

They have 2000 staff their salary expenditures must be insane

They’re clearly burning through VC until they IPO with the hopes that once they IPO they will then be propped up financially by shareholder investment. It worked for Facebook and twitter a decade ago so it must work now right? Never mind that Facebook had much more viable revenue streams and that twitter stagnated and is now tanking (tbf that’s kind of elons fault)

They’ll chug along as always longer than that though unless fidelity cuts their valuation significantly again. They have a lot of inertia. Ad buys seem impacted but impressions don’t although I haven’t followed things super closely. Reddit has a shitload of casual users who will check it every day and simply don’t care about the admins or site drama

[-] insomniac@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago

2,000 employees with an average salary of 100k (which I pulled out of my ass but probably on the low end) is 200 million a year just on payroll.

[-] kratoz29@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'd love to see that honestly.

[-] ribboo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can’t remember the exact figure, but they calculate on each user bringing in like $0.5 every three months or so. That’s how the Apollo creater came to the conclusion of them marking up their API prices by a 1000% or similar. So the cost of each user should not be much higher than that.

It basically comes down to being greedy and really wanting to get rid of 3rd party apps.

[-] kratoz29@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What if we someday get video tools?

[-] hinterlufer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I doubt it, hosting video is quite expensive and resource intensive. I'm guessing the direction would rather be to implement proper video embedding and host on third party servers.

[-] kratoz29@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Can we get away with limiting APIs and greedy companies by taking this route?

[-] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The great thing about the nature of Federation seems to be that additional services or instances that host videos don't have to impact the current instances. .world or .ml could just say "we will never host video content" and users won't have to make a new account to see the video content that another instance may provide.

[-] animist@lemmy.one 35 points 1 year ago

I have an onlyfans for my feet pics that finances all of it

[-] Zdvarko@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

OMG disgusting, please advise me of the link as to avoid such atrocities

[-] morethanevil@lmy.mymte.de 23 points 1 year ago

Yes most intances are paid by donations. Mostly the admins are paying their bills

You like your instance and want to give something back? Donate 🌞

[-] skepticalifornia@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Just throw $2 a month toward Lemmy on Patreon! Well worth it.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

In addition to all the talk about donations here, it's worth pointing out that instead of the multi-million dollar infrastructure costs of bigger outfits like Reddit, the costs for running a single Lemmy instance are well within the abilities of many hobbiests. Some may not even ask for donations.

We should keep the developers funded because, as I understand it, this is a full time job for many of them. And I've donated to my instance because I don't think they expected the amount of growth and troubleshooting they've have to do with the Reddit surge, but it's unclear how much will be needed going forward.

[-] kinther@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I'm donating $5 to mastodonworld and $5 to the lemmy devs per month. It's not much, but at least I'm not the product.

this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2023
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