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I've seen a lot of posts on this site that are leaning into anti semetic tropes while criticizing Israel. I want to point it out so that folks can recognize it.

First, because I have to say it:

Israel is a colonial outpost of the United States. It was created by Britain and inherited by the US. The US gives Israel ~3,000,000,000 USD in aid every year. As a colony, it should be the goal of every socialist to destroy it, just as we seek the destruction of the US, Northern Ireland, South Korea, Canada, the Phillipine state, etc.

But! Israel is also a safe haven for Jews. This is seperable from the colonial nature of the state. Israel could have been created in Germany or Siberia or frankly Florida for that matter (in fact, annexing Florida to create a new state of Israel is what I mean when i refer to "the one state solution"). In many ways, the US with its civil rights act serves the same purpose, and in fact, most Jews live in the US.

Many of us had ancestors in Germany or Poland during the holocaust who did not stick around after the war. They saw Israel as their best shot at safety in the wake of the holocaust. Many Israelis are liberals, hoping to vote out Likud, stop supporting settlements, and negotiate palestinian statehood. These people are advocating half measures, sure, but they are not our enemies.

So I wanted to point out some anti-semetic tropes I've seen on this website and call them out so you can recognize them.

Conflating Jews in Israel with Zionists.

This can be done through omission. If you aren't clear whether you're talking about jews or a specific institution (for example, the I"D"F or the settlements or Likud), many people will read your statement as being about Jews. Be careful with the word "they"

erasing the ambivalent position of jews within colonialism / conflating jewishness with whiteness

The zionist entity is not a Jewish colonial project, but an Anglo colonial project. It was created by the British and now is funded by the US Americans. Jews are an oppressed minority whose oppression is leveraged against other oppressed peoples. Similarly to how the US uses Kurds to Balkanize Iraq or The Hmong to wage counterinsurgency in Laos, it's uses Jews to destabilize the Levant.

Outside of the US, jews are largely understood as a racial group and oppressed on that basis. Especially in the Arab world where the Islamic hyper nationalism has gained ground in response to colonialism and been funded further by colonialists to their own ends (google "the safari club" or "Israel funds Hamas")

Blood Libel

This one is the assertion that Jews are uniquely bloodthirsty / murder non Jewish children. The classic example of this myth that people are familiar with is Runplestiltskin.

It is true that the IDF under the direction of Likud and the US state is murdering many Gazans, the majority of whom are children. but! be careful to specify. When people talk about "jews" or "israelis" generally as perpetuating the murder of children, they are engaging in the blood libel trope. Again, be careful with the word "they" and specify which entities you're talking about.

calling for ethnic cleansing

Okay, wtf ya'll. It's not jews as an ethnicity that are oppressing Palestinians, it is US imperial power. Jews have always lived in Palestine and the occupation only began in the 40s as part of a British initiative.

Jews will always be part of a palestinian state, and frankly need protections as ethnic and religious minorities. We do not seek the expulsion of Jews from Palestine, but their integration into it as citizens.

Jews are safe in the US not because its a colonial state but because of civil rights protections and generational wealth. If we can create civil rights protections in Palestine and a social safety net (ideally communism but I'll settle for social democracy), then jews will be safe in Palestine.

Jewish control of America / protocols of the elders of zion

America controls Israel and not vice versa. APEC is not a cabal brainwashing otherwise Nobel Christian politicians. US politicians support Israel because they're colonial politicians and Israel is our colony. APEC exists because lobbying is how power is exercised in the US, but if we had patronage instead, APEC' functions would be carried our by a governor or an ambassador or whatever.

conclusion

Recognize the role of the US empire in Palestinian oppression. Recognize that jews are in an ambivalent racial category and are an oppressed people. Be specific when criticizing Israeli colonialism. Name who you're criticizing, is it the settlements? The IDF? Likud? The US military Industrial Complex? Stop calling for ethnic cleansing of jews if you've been doing that. Don't equate jewishness with whiteness / the Nazis. White people are white people, the US is the Nazis.

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[-] jaeme@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I see where this is coming from since lesson 1 of any good introductory Jewish history class is to point out that Jewish people are 0.2% of the world population based on available census data. That pretty much sobers me up emotionally.

"The Jewish State" has never existed and will never exist. Only the Zionist project from Theodor Herzl exists as a submission to antisemitism. There are simply not enough willing diaspora Jews in the world and the Zionists knew that since Al Nakba. (nevermind the Jews before Herzl who attempted to immigrate to Palestine in the late 19th century)

In a twisted sense, any and all antisemitism is crucial marketing for the Zionists. Pogroms/expulsions become useful calling cards to say "see? Jews have no place in the world. There is no where left for you to go" The zionist entity does not care for combatting antisemitism, only to perpetuate its growth. Their only fear is the same fear as the enslaver and the colonizer: that they must meet the oppressed eye to eye (no humanitarian crossing through Israel was ever proposed by the Zionists).

If zionists actually gave a shit about Jewish people (and we accept the premise of the "Jewish state") they would not make enemies with over a billion muslims by stealing Jerusalem (and slowly the west bank) and ethnically cleansing Palestinians in Gaza. The blowback to them is more defeated and vulnerable Jews that they can assimilate even further.

The Zionist delusion is the Antisemite's fantasy.

Zionism is a irrepearable stain on Jewish history and I hope I live long enough to learn a history after it. Judaism is not Zionism only reveals the horror of the Zionist apartheid.

TL;DR: Don't call Zionists or Israeli settlers neo-nazis or fascists, call them antisemites instead, because their ideology relies on antisemitism being undefeatable and most importantly correct.

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

If zionists actually gave a shit about Jewish people (and we accept the premise of the "Jewish state") they would not make enemies with over a billion muslims by stealing Jerusalem (and slowly the west bank) and ethnically cleansing Palestinians in Gaza. The blowback to them is more defeated and vulnerable Jews that they can assimilate even further.

THIS! Oh my God as a Jew thank (The Old Testament) God that someone pointed this out.

[-] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago
[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm also against words having meanings. I try to use phrases like "it's woke" and "it's socialism" as often as possible to dilute the semantic potency of the English language.

Sometimes in my war against semantics, I'll go on reddit and comment things like "socialism is when the government does things"

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Jewish control of America theory is very funny. Without the US and its lackeys, Israel would be decimated. The US keeps Israel alive, and in turns the pro-Israel lobby makes sure it’s lobbyists are still employed by funding the most evil war hawks to support Israel.

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[-] Staines@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

Considering the OP's thread is about the most anti-semitic thing I've seen on Hexbear, I'd say we're doing ok.

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Conclusion: "blame America, Israel didn't do nothing at all"

or maybe it's both. Kinda like in Ukraine, America is to blame and so is Ukraine. But Ukraine isn't a religion based ethnostate so it's not a hate crime to criticize them fortunately. The need to suddenly be verrrrry specific with words because Israel are a nation of mostly Jewish people(and mostly settlers) is hilarious. Israel sure did find the loop hole. Israel has sovereignty, they can choose to not be a vassal state at any time they choose.

Don't equate jewishness with the Nazis

bugs-no

simply the amount of segregation and police checkpoints for Arabs earns them that comparison. the IDF must say "papers please" so many times each day.

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[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Is calling for the complete explusion of Jewish settlements founded in territories outside the 1947 lines and returning all Palenstinian land inside that ethnic cleansing? Because that is, still, allowing many many palestinians to unfairly lose their historical homes, and I consider it probably the minimum acceptable outcome.

The ethnic cleansing must be reversed, first.

[-] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

We could have just been like “fair enough we’ll be careful” but we’re so scared of wreckers that we assume people who’ve been posting for months are feds.

C’mon everyone.

[-] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago

I don't think anyone is a fed. I think there are libs on this site. There are always people, even people who sincerely think they're revolutionary Marxists, who have a lib take on an issue. It's important to call liberalism out, always

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[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

Is anti-semetic with an E an Americanism? I hear it all the time.

IT'S SEMITIC. WITH AN 'i' AS IN SEMITE. NOT SEMETE.

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