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IRS will pilot free, direct tax filing in 2024::Direct File is a shot across the bows of Turbotax, H&R Block, and others who have resisted free and simple tax filing for decades.

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[-] cyd@lemmy.world 179 points 10 months ago

The rest of the developed world has had this for decades.

So I fully expect this initiative to be lobbied out of existence by Intuit and the rest of the tax filing industry.

[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 28 points 10 months ago

Pretty sure most people outside the US never even have to file a tax return? Income tax is deducted at source by employers. Solicitors collect it if you buy/sell a house. Etc etc. You only need to do a tax return if you're self-employed or quite wealthy (in the UK, at least).

I am self-employed. It takes about an hour to do my taxes online.

[-] erwan@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

In France everyone has to fill a tax return. It will be prefilled with your salaries, but you still need to add deductions (for example house renovations or child care) or special revenues like real estate.

But yeah, if you only have salaries and no deductions you just validate your prefilled return and be done with it.

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[-] zerofk@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Western Europe here. I’m old enough that I’ve had to file many paper tax forms. There have always been free services to help with that.

Now you can do it all online, and the known information is pre-filled. The last few years you don’t even have to click “accept” anymore, accepting is automatic if you don’t do anything.

That said, there still are paid services, but their main aim is to find all the ways to reduce what you pay (and they are likely used mainly by the well off).

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Australian here. The ATO (australian tax office) has a website you go to. It is pre-filled with various dada, your salary, your bank interest, uni loans, etc.

You add any additional salary, eg gig economy or crypto earnings (lol) and put in your deductions. I deduct heaps because I make money on the side renting out my camper van, and all its expenses are deductable from its earnings, but if you just have one job and thats it, then you can be done with your tax return in 10 mins, for free, online.

You can even preview your expected tax return before you commit. Once you commit, the return lands in your bank acvount usually within a week or so. You even get a receipt showimg what they spent your money on.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Update: An Intuit spokesperson contacted TechCrunch to call Direct File “wholly redundant,” and potentially a “financial nightmare” that will cost billions. But we won’t know until we try.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

that will cost billions.

Cost whom billions?

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Intuit's bottom line.

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[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah, even my third world country does this. But this only works if you only have a 9 to 5 job. Some people have more complicated tax.

This guy explains it a bit more:

https://youtu.be/Vu3T4ZXzOyw?si=rEa-U7GHoe_DapeV

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Luckily, most people are 9 to 5ers. The vast majority of people have simple taxes that a trained monkey could handle if it weren't for the Intuit cabal.

Let not perfect be the enemy of good. This is a good step and from here, we can improve the system by steps until the only people who can't use it are tax cheats. Over optimistic? Yes, but I'm taking my wins to go.

[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 145 points 10 months ago

What? The government will actually collect taxes itself like every other sane country, instead of privatizing it out to middlemen grifters? Oh my, where is mah fainting couch?

[-] SilentCal@lemmy.basedcount.com 20 points 10 months ago

Oh no they’ve always collected it themselves, you just have to wade through ~4K pages of tax code that has averaged one change a day for the last decade.

But if you get it wrong, they’ll happily mail you a correction if you erred low. Plus penalties and interest of course.

The middle men like Intuit are a symptom of the legislature trying to use taxes to incentivize or disincentivize every little thing and still get pork for their districts. There’s a good 20 pages of code and case law on the depreciably of race horses that I’m sure the Senators from Kentucky had a hand in.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Oh my, where is mah fainting couch?

Here it is, RariJack

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[-] DerArzt@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago

Why can't they pre fill in the form and ask us if it's correct. The cast majority of us have pretty straight forward filling is.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago

Because Intuit and H&R Block have given more money to have it stay the same than anybody has for simplifying it.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Gotta love a bribery based legislature system.

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[-] aulin@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

a subset of lucky taxpayers in as many as 13 states

This makes it sound like some dystopian survival lottery.

[-] decended_being@midwest.social 8 points 10 months ago

I volunteer!

[-] TheHotze@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Four states signed up for the test, the rest "may be eligible" due to not having state income tax.

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

.” In software terms, we’d probably call this an alpha.

No, we'd call this a closed beta test.

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Where I work, we'd just call it an established product...

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

I've been using IRS Free File Fillable Forms for a few years now. It's not super great but it does the job. It also has a dorky name.

[-] SilentCal@lemmy.basedcount.com 6 points 10 months ago

IRS is great at sending letters but not so great at naming or publicizing things (see IRS Free File, or paper forms being available at post offices and libraries) or maintaining technology from this century (they send faxes regularly and still run COBOL)

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

IF^4

Yeah. Stupid name even when I try to hype it up.

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[-] zerofk@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wait, do US citizens have to pay to file taxes? Or is this a service to help navigate the complexities?

[-] bob_lemon@feddit.de 59 points 10 months ago

Not American, bit my understanding is that filling taxes in the US is complicated and confusing to the point where most people use paid software to do it. There is an obvious lobby of tax filing software companies keeping it that way.

[-] Cantankerousnuts@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago
[-] EsheLynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 10 months ago

It isn't even that complex if you are doing basic forms. Literally plug in numbers from a document that gets mailed to you January 15.

These are just private companies that typically fleece you out of a percentage of your income tax return.

My ex made us file taxes using "experts" for 17 years, even though I proved to her I could do it myself, and came up with the same numbers the "experts" did, because "they insure you if something goes wrong"

It's a scam. TurboTax, Jackson Hewitt, it's a scam

[-] evatronic@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

The government charges no fee to file.

However, until this year, lobbying has prevented the IRS from providing online services to help taxpayers fill out the forms or file directly, instead being required to outsource that and only expose a (wildly insecure btw) API for electronic filing.

Because the US tax code is also complicated as fuck and changes all the time, services like TurboTax exist and charge you to fill out the forms.

Repeat the above for each state you work / have income / own property in.

[-] pacoboyd@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

US citizen here. Used to file my own for free. At one point I bought a house and qualified for some tax credit so I paid an accountant to do my taxes that year to ensure I got everything right, bascially never went back becuase it was worth the $175 to litterally do nothing except mail my tax documents to an accountant.

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[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 4 points 10 months ago

It's the latter.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The IRS will test a free tax filing service in 2024 for a subset of lucky taxpayers in as many as 13 states, the agency announced today.

The program is more or less a direct result of funding provided by the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act, through which $15 million was earmarked for the purpose of exploring and implementing a simple, free, government-provided tax filing service.

Over the last year and a half, the IRS has been building out the pilot program, which it characterizes as being “one more potential option” on the continuum from self-managed Free File, to commercial products like Turbotax, to a tax prep professional.

The IRS describes Direct File as “a mobile-friendly, interview-based service” available in English and Spanish, intended for people with simpler tax situations like W-2s and common income credits and deductions.

This will in turn “allow the IRS to evaluate the costs, benefits and operational challenges associated with providing a voluntary Direct File option to taxpayers.” In software terms, we’d probably call this an alpha.

Intuit and others which have surreptitiously fought against simple, free, and transparent tax filing for many years (as ProPublica documented not long ago) are no doubt seething and scheduling emergency meetings.


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[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

LET'S FUCKING GOOOO

[-] uis@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Wait, there was no direct tax filing?

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 8 points 10 months ago

You've always been able to file directly, but it involves paper forms not software that can guide you through the process and identify extra forms/deductions/additions that you might need to include.

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