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[-] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What is the size of the “median” home in each area? Single family, or townhome, or condo?

Given that this appears to be a median average, this graphic does not account for the extremely wide variance depending on the cases above. A two bedroom condo and a five bedroom single family home could easily have a $2000/mo variance in the mortgage cost.

The other item that would perhaps be useful would be to call out what the down payment requirement is for each of these areas; ie, you can only achieve a $3000/mo mortgage if you’ve also put down $140,000, which is unachievable for over 90% of the country.

[-] Redscare867@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

There is no way that this graphic isn’t including the entire metro area. The city I currently live in is on the list and so is the city that I am planning to relocate to. Prices shown do not accurately reflect the prices of houses/condos that I would consider “in the city”.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

From the Bay Area, $1.5M will get you a two bed one bath or three bed 1.5 bath home built in 1925 or so. You can buy in a lower end neighborhood for a little less or a higher end one for a bit more, but the standard is going to be a craftsman home from 1906 with a driveway if you’re lucky.

I think the graphic also used a 20% down payment and a slightly over 6% mortgage in the calculation.

I just want to retire and move someplace cheap, like NYC or London.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Wow, two bedrooms for only $1.5mil! What a steal!

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's insane to me. I live in Tulsa, OK and bought a nice 2400sq ft home with 4 bedrooms, 2 living rooms, dining room, 2 full baths and garage and in a cul-de-sac for 120k. But the downside is I'm living in Oklahoma...so... Yeah.

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[-] Neato@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Yep. You're not getting any kind of stand-alone home in D.C. for $139k salary unless it's a huge piece of crap.

[-] VanitasTheUnversed@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

I saw a house in Phoenix that was in my price range. I thought, "Wow, this house has a lot of natural light."

The last photo was a picture of the roof, or lack thereof.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

“Price includes 4 walls. Roof is extra.”

[-] Meuzzin@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

*Roof is included with the Bronze subscription Plan at an extra $450 a month.

[-] ryan@the.coolest.zone 24 points 10 months ago

lmao cries in San Jose

I mean, the thing is, it's not even that great a city. Like, sure the tech jobs are here, and the bay area overall is nice and has temperate weather, but San Jose itself is a giant sprawling suburb. Downtown is "okay" and we do have public transit in the form of the light rail but it's pretty slow.

I'm paying $3.4k to rent a 2x2.5 townhome with my partner currently. It's very nice, and my landlords are just a very nice couple rather than a company, but dang is it expensive just to live here.

And before anyone asks, I live here 1) because I work in tech and the jobs are here, and 2) because my family all lives in the Bay Area and they're very important to me.

Anyway, my formal recommendation to any of you looking to move to San Jose is to basically not do that. Find a remote job and work in tech that way, or hybrid so you can live further out and commute only a couple times a week.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I saved for a few years, and every amount I saved was offset by the housing prices going up. I eventually had $300K saved up and couldn’t afford the down payment on a family home.

That’s just completely and utterly unsustainable. I live in San Diego County now, which isn’t a whole lot better.

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[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 22 points 10 months ago

I'd love to know where the houses you can afford on a $140K salary in DC are. Unless house here is loosely defined as a place where you live (apartments, condos), I'm certain this data is flawed.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 months ago

It says "homes" and not "houses", so probably apartments and condos indeed

[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 6 points 10 months ago

Reading is hard

[-] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

It's gotta include condos....any condos. Like studio sized condo from the 60s in a dumpy building with neighbors that have 3 families living in a one bedroom

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[-] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

My dumbass had a nice 3 bed 2 bath home in NM that I was paying a measley $600 a month as a first time buyer. I then sold it and moved to the Boston area.

I regret everything.

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[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

why the hell is Pittsburgh Pennsylvania so cheap?

[-] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

bro fuck those goofy ass roads over there. wonky ass hilly ass city

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Because we tell everyone the Midwest is terrible to keep it that way.

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[-] GenesisJones@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

You should go there and see lol tell us what you find.

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[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

shh! don't talk about it

[-] USSEthernet@startrek.website 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Probably because per the 2021 census stats, 20% of residents are below the poverty line and the median household income was only 54k.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/pittsburghcitypennsylvania/PST045222

I'm sure the high rate of hard drug usage doesn't help everyone's situation there either.

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[-] SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

It would be much more useful to see a comparison to income so you could get a better idea of how realistic purchasing a home actually is. For example, Buffalo has cheap homes, but can you get a job there that afford one? And how is the quality of life there? How is crime? Like, it might be the case that San Jose is a better deal or more realistic if salaries are high enough to justify the home price. Because right now, this is more a map of just, what is the overall economy like for each city.

[-] principalkohoutek@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Tfw all you can afford is the rust belt rust-darkness

[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

median price home

So I nice mid life house...

Median price homes aren't affordable, start home and median price home are mutually exclusive.

Median price home literally is going to be about the halfway point between a starter home and a fucking mansion

It boils my blood everytime I see these info dumps starting off with average or medium house prices.

That's not a fucking starter home price.

It's like looking at the median price of a car and then trying to say that cars aren't affordable for your first car.

You don't spend 20k to 30k in your first car, you buy near the bottom percentile as your starter. Your first car is like a fraction of the cost of the median.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Exactly. The median purchase price for new cars is ~$45k or something, yet I'd never spend that much despite making more than median salary. Things don't scale like that.

[-] xChronoZerox@lemmy.today 3 points 10 months ago

But what should be a starter home is also increased...unless you like manufactured homes...which is also expensive >.>

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[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Interesting that Pittsburgh has a lower median house price than Detroit.

[-] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Have you seen Detroit? A third of homes downtown are completely derelict.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

Good luck buying a house in Seattle on a $170,000 salary. It's going to be a beat-down, tiny thing, with no yard, in a questionable area.

[-] Bye@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I want to see Honolulu

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The median household income in Portland, OR is $78k and the salary needed to afford a house is $136k?

Yup, sounds about right.

edit: Looks like I should consider moving to Pittsburgh...

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[-] OnionQuest@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

They should include the interest rate they are using to calculate the mortgage. Based on what's provided they are assuming around a 6% mortgage which is no longer available. Tack an extra $1,000 monthly payment onto that million dollar home and an extra $40,000 to your income to make it affordable. (Assuming debt/income ratio and income taxes)

Did I miss anything?

[-] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

They did it’s at the bottom. 6.37%

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[-] radix@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is beautiful! Does anyone know the software used to create this visualization?

[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Now that insurances against natural disasters start costing a fortune in places like Florida, and you probably have to have such an insurance to get a mortgage there, it, the costs for housing down there will probably skyrocket soon.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, New England is perfectly readable on this graph

[-] Talaraine@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wait till they find out it's likely harder to rent in many areas, too, thanks to the new ratio requirement.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I like to joke that I moved from the SF Bay Area to Seattle for the affordable housing, but it's funny because it's true.

[-] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Guess I should move away from Seattle then

[-] Marcumas@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Seattle priced me out around 2014. I don't know how anyone affords it without a roommate or a six figure job.

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