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Elon Musk says 'we dug our own grave' with the Cybertruck as he warns Tesla faces enormous production challenges::Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Wednesday that the Cybertruck's unique design means the company faces immense challenges in scaling production.

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[-] Infynis@midwest.social 254 points 1 year ago
[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 183 points 1 year ago

When things go right, it's "I". When things go wrong, it's "We". These are Musk's situationally preferred pronouns.

[-] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago
[-] CluelessLemmyng 49 points 1 year ago

I mean, with Trump it's more like 'They'.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Trump won't accept any blame for anything, even when it's obvious to anyone with a functioning nervous system.

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[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Who has the one promoting it? It was you, Elon.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

He's very likely the one who pushed the engineers to try to make it work in the first place. They probably tried to warn him of the challenges it was going to face at every step, and he just used the power of arrogance, bullying, & positive-thinking to ignore it and just go full steam ahead with it. He would've just fired anybody that directly challenged him on it and told him what an idiot he is.

[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago

Credit for innovation: capitalism. Credit for failures: socialism.

[-] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Must be the royal we.

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[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 141 points 1 year ago

Wasn’t he the one who made a bunch of ridiculous demands? This car seems like it was designed by Homer Simpson.

[-] Person264@lemmings.world 37 points 1 year ago

In my head it was Elon who sketched the truck and told everyone "make that exactly how I drew it"

[-] bababooey@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

No way this thing is soft and yielding like a nerf ball

[-] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

At least it'll be more powerful than a gorilla.

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[-] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 111 points 1 year ago

That's weird, I could have sworn he said that they nearly had all the issues sorted out and that it was coming next month.. Trying to remember when he said that.. 2021?

[-] grayman@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Bruh that delay was because of the PLANDEMIC!!111!!

/s

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[-] burgers@toast.ooo 89 points 1 year ago

"When you've got a product with a lot of new technology or any brand new vehicle program, especially one that is as different and advanced as the Cybertruck, you will have problems proportionate to how many new things you're trying to solve at scale," he added.

does it have new technology? i thought it was just like, shockingly ugly?

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's got a lot of new things to them

800v power train

Newer 4680 cells

~85% custom chip controllers (up from 60s on Y)

48v power electronics instead of 12v, which is fairly new to everyone and the supply chain isn't as robust as the 12v one, but long term it's good for industry. (Edit I've heard talk of how they connect everything is going to be very different too, but nothing I've seen confirmed)

Folding the stainless steel at scale

9000T press, biggest one made

The wheels that can turn on front and back

New assembly method (excluding stainless steel part)

I'm sure there's more they didn't tell us.

It went from being a weird vehicle (love or hate it) to a new technology platform.

[-] xpinchx@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

4 wheel steering isn't really new. (but your point is still taken)

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I did say "to them"

800v isn't new either, others use it

Edit: stainless steel aside, I have a suspicion that the 48v stuff will cause the most problems. That seems like a lot of suppliers where 1 problem halts the line.

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[-] Skies5394@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For a company with already terrible QC that’s a lot more things to go wrong for buyers unfortunately

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 year ago

It took a lot of work to make windows that shatter so easily.

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago

First you have to mass produce a lot of cannon balls, hire people and train them to throw the cannon ball perfectly so the broken window looks perfect.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 86 points 1 year ago

Gee... telling the engineers to getting precision to below 10 microns would cause production challenges.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've been doing PCB-board design recently. Here's the manufactuering specs: https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/dkred

So that's 0.13mm tolerances to my printed-circuit board. Or 130 microns.


Current leading theory is that Elon Musk is such an ignorant dumbass that he doesn't know the difference between mils and microns, despite running a car company / manufacturing firm. Give that a thought. Even then, 10-mils tolerance is near this PCB design, an object that's only a few inches in size. Cars are much larger and normally should be built to much wider tolerances than a fucking PCB board.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

It's almost like Elon Musk is a complete fucking moron and not an Engineer. The wanker has never actually designed a thing in his life. He just tells other people to design something, or buys an existing company, then struts around like he thinks he's the smartest thing around.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

If he said <10 mils, I'd might have bought the explanation that Elon actually meant millimetres. Micron is a very specific metric-based unit which to Elon might have been trying to use like a buzzword.

The moral of the story is don't say stupid engineering stuff if you don't want engineers to laugh at you.

[-] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

And 10 microns at what temperature? Because on something the size of a car, made of mixed materials, thermal expansion of less than a degree is going to blow that figure.

They couldn't apply paint to a tolerance of 10microns.

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[-] kautau@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Lmao “if Lego and soda cans can do this, so can we.” At least he found materials similar to his existing vehicle build quality

[-] plantedworld@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Hey, don't disrespect Lego like that

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[-] piecat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

"At this point I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone currently alive on Earth."

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[-] Lanusensei87@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago

You'd think the guy claiming to "know more about manufacturing than anyone else on Earth" would have anticipated such issues at the start of the design process.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Weird, Ford and Rivian both seem to be able to make an EV pickup truck.

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

And GM, the epitome of "slow and bloated legacy dinosaur", who in the time since Tesla announced the cYbErTrUcK, managed to design AND RELEASE a truck before Tesla even had prototypes. At this rate, I think they'll technically have 3 different trucks out before a single cYbErTrUcK is sold.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

The automotive giants always could have outpaced Tesla, they just didn’t want to because until it was viable with enough consumer interest (and competition), it was cheaper to only produce fossil fuel vehicles (and lobby against electric vehicles at every turn)

[-] skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 year ago

*invents stupid and logicitally impossible truck.

*Production challenges

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago
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[-] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago

. Cybertruck.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 year ago

The real story is that a million people have reserved this thing.

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Given that I had dumbass coworkers at work who gleefully dropped $500 to "reserve" one of each trim, despite not even being able to even afford the cheapest trim (which will never even come close to existing with the listed price+specs), I'm not betting that it's probably 1/4 of that, and about 1/4 of those will ever actually translate to purchases.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 29 points 1 year ago

When I was a kid, I asked my dad why the cars on the road didn't look like any of the prototype cars I saw in autoshows or car books.

Now Elon has given me the answer. Those cars are hard to make at scale. One is doable, but thousands is impossible.

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[-] Enkrod@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago

Who could have known that traditional manufacturers who have been building cars for decades have reasons to do it the way they did?

Surely not the man who reinvented the subway (but shitty) reinvented content moderation (but shitty) and reinvented the car (but shitty).

How come "normal" Teslas with traditional coachwork are selling, well not great, but good and every time Musk thinks he's the genius who'll singlehandedly completely reinvent a very competitive product he just creates a worse version?

[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I actually thought this was an elaborate joke. The "Cybertruck" looks like a piece of shit, and apparently is a piece of shit.

[-] Seudo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Wait, that's a real thing? I thought it was just a marketing stunt!

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[-] Gerula@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I cannot believe it, this coming from the man who knows more about production and manufacturing than anyone alive! For sure the Genius of Musk will find a solution to overcome this.

Like when he demanded 10um tolerance for the assembly of the cybershmuck nobody understood and they said it's impossible. But he realised, he realised early on that the mail will leak and idiots will take it as an argument of quality and performance and be motivated to throw money at him. Conmen need money inflow to keep the scheme going.

/s or not ...

[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

There is exactly one reason I cancelled my tesla you stupid Muskrat.

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