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[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 60 points 8 months ago

It's less of a pain when the work you do is fun and interesting, but ironically when that's the case you're usually making even more money for someone else.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 27 points 8 months ago

Nothing wrong in making money for someone else, IF you get yourself decent salary and have interesting work.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I dunno, working in construction contracting has taught me that time in man hours is the ultimate pricing value point, that everything can be boiled down to. Someone who gives up their time should reap the most benefits. Someone who owns a business and pays others to work should be heavily taxed.

Earning a bit more does help make it more palatable, but it still isn't fair.

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[-] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You make money for someone else in exchange for the safety of a consistent paycheck. Its like the old feudal system, in theory you are being protected in exchange for your labour.

Of course in practise you are at the mercy of the company, and in the feudal system the protection you were afforded meant you needed to pay for your own armour and fight to the death to protect your owner.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Eh, I'd argue that can make it more palatable, but honestly I do think, at least in most cases (I can think of outliers), it's generally pretty exploitative to profit off of someone else's labor that they themselves are not actually wanting to do themselves, especially if the threat of homelessness and hunger is the prime motivator for the person doing the work. Like, it's not really fair in the grand scheme of things.

A simple way to fix that I guess would be if every company was a co-op. Since then everyone is profiting equally, and no one's labor is being exploited for the exclusive benefit of another.

[-] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you're one of the lucky few sure. But then you're kinda part of the problem. The vast, overwhelming majority of people on the planet work jobs they don't really like just to keep a roof above their heads.

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[-] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Walking barefoot on gravel is less painful than walking barefoot on nails.

The greater difference is in being free.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 8 months ago

Quite the opposite. Work that's "fun and interesting" tends to pay less because there's a surplus of demand and limited supply (artists, cooks, etc).

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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago

Look at Mr. fancy pants, sleeping in until 6:30 every morning.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 27 points 8 months ago

Keep in mind that in 1975 the top tax rate was 48%, some sources say the effective rate on corporate was 44%. This message went out right before the largest recorded increase in USA poverty from 1980 to 1983, and the Reagan Administration gutting federal regulatory bodies and slashing the corporate tax rates down to effective 0 rates, sometimes a negative rate if they received corporate welfare.

If anything, bro really jinxed it by saying "it can't possibly get worse, right?"

[-] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

if I bust my ass for a company, I deserve an equal portion of the money the company rakes in from whatever it does.

An equal portion of money as every other employee gets. For the parasites in the excusive room, that means much less, but for the people who actually have to work in the company that means a lot more.

[-] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

"That's not how the market works."

I've had to have this conversation so many times I feel like I'm losing my mind. Like I need to write a manifesto or blog post that I can reference instead of rewriting it every time.

Markets are not moral.

Market forces are like physical forces - we observe them and use that knowledge to predict the outcomes of situations. But by the same token we need to have a moral framework underpinning the way we use the knowledge, or else we will destroy the world.

Justifying low wages by saying "people are willing to take the job" is just saying "people would rather do this job than be homeless, starve, or be poor_er_."

I, personally, am fundamentally not okay with an economy that is fully supported by workers essentially being coerced into working from fear of death or despair.

We look at the nuclear bomb and the damage it caused and say "that was bad, let's not do that". But we look at inflation, wealth accumulation, class warfare, rampant shameless greed, and don't immediately see the cause/effect relationship.

Now the conversation about some work being harder, more unpleasant, more stressful, or more valuable than other work is an important one. But in my mind the important part is removing the coersion.

If people had their basic needs met and didn't fear starvation or homeless, I bet employers would have to give their workers a better shake in order to keep things running.

[-] kicksystem@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I cringe everytime money grubbing is normalized. Bloomberg is now building an AI like chatGPT to do their forecasting. They are super proud of that, but instead they should be deeply ashamed. What value are they providing? People are just lining their pockets and other people applaud these people. This is a serious culture flaw.

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[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I don't really enjoy anything anymore. Might as well spend my time doing something.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 12 points 8 months ago

If you have a local DSA chapter, you could give it a visit and see if it's something you'd be into. They tend to have a good amount of genuinely nice friendly people, and they help people with mutual aid and other activities you may enjoy. Just an idea ^^

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Not based in the USA but I expect I'd find them helpful if I was, thank you.

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[-] mandolrain@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Stealing this

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago
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[-] ARk@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

How in the hell could a man work and be asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?

There are a lot of labor issues to discuss but putting a bunch of normal things you do anyway and sticking some face and a name on it is not it folks.

[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think the idea is that while these are things you do anyway, you are rushed to complete them quickly, earlier in the morning than you would likely prefer, all for the benefit of someone else to profit off you (I.e, to be exploited).

I think someone that was in a co-op would not resent those things nearly as much, or at all, since all of that work and effort would be adequately rewarded.

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

I definitely would not wear a bra if I don't need to go to the office. Hell, dressing and getting out of bed are also fairly optional, even if working from home and I don't know anyone who commutes for the fun of it. Also I'd definitely take the full worth of my labor please.

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 8 months ago

No one enjoys it. That's why it's not called "going to fun".

[-] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Many concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.

Yet, some even still cast shame on those who emphasize the misery it causes.

Meanwhile, among those who describe work as miserable, it is common to assume the reason as being that work involves effort, rather than that work, at least the way it is generally imposed, requires the worker being subordinated.

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