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CNN Host Left Stunned As IDF Confirms Israel Hit Refugee Camp With Airstrike (newrepublic.com)

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CNN’s Wolf Blitzer seemed at a lost of words at the justification being used to bomb a refugee camp in Gaza.

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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 198 points 9 months ago

Everyone knows that if a terrorist takes a hostage, you murder the hostage and their entire family!

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 81 points 9 months ago

It’s the Israeli way!

Human shield? SHOOT THROUGH IT. WE KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

[-] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

Human shield, checkmate atheist.

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 136 points 9 months ago

The "it's all so complicated" MFs have been quiet

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 88 points 9 months ago

Oh, I've seen them saying a bunch of things. Combinations of "Well, it's not actually a refugee camp" and "the US also bombs civilians to take out military targets" and the long-used canard "they were warned to go south".

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 75 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"the US also bombs civilians to take out military targets"

Not wrong though.

IRC the initial shock and awe coordinated 'surgical' bombing at the beginning of the 2003 Iraq war cost the lives of up to 8000 Iraqi civilians. I remember watching it at the time, and American media were really gushing about that whole thing. Going on about how precise it all was. Apparently if you dress it all up in a bit of newspeak (collateral damage, precision bombing, surgical strike, ...) you can convince most people that the pressure wave from a large bomb stops at the window of a building.

Maybe international law is too lax. Maybe the US is too powerful to face consequences for anything but the most egregious examples, but then again it's not as if the world (including the middle-east) gives much of a shit when Assad barrel bombs yet another a hospital. And no one gives a shit about the thousands who died in Sudan this year, because they're black, so they apparently don't count.

In a deeply cynical way, it makes sense that the IDF and Israel think it's unfair. Why should they get so much flack for war crimes, when others get away with it consequence free? China got to demolish ten thousand or more mosques, Russia got to demolish multiple cities and deliberately murder sheltering children, it's only fair that Israel gets to commit a bit of genocide.

I'm old and tired, and please understand this is an angry and sarcastic comment, but I do wonder what people think war is actually like. Especially urban warfare. Because given history, it seems to me that this is what it's always like. Thousands of dead civilians, razed buildings, and flimsy excuses and technicalities which allow countries to get away with (not so) accidentally murdering thousands. The world's biggest and least funny joke.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 29 points 9 months ago

Though my point in bringing it up is that it's not even an actual excuse when Israel defenders use it. We Americans actively protested such things as well, as war crimes and violations of international law.

Trying to blatantly use illegal US actions as an excuse for one's own illegal actions, such as Netanyahu in his speech trying to use the US response to 9/11 as a reason for Israel to do the same, is appalling at best.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Perhaps I would be more appalled if I was even slightly surprised by it. You know how there were protests in Israel before the war about the supreme court?

This is one of the reasons why:

An article by former United States ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk and former Jordanian United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid bin Ra'ad in Foreign Policy argued that the insistence of Israeli right-wing Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on curbing the powers of the Supreme Court, stems from a desire to "more easily enact his vision of an Israel that extends unimpeded from river to sea," as the court had previously impeded the legalization of Israeli settlements built on privately-owned Palestinian land.

[-] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago

Maybe international law is too lax. Maybe the US is too powerful to face consequences for anything but the most egregious examples

I mean, the US has a legal device to allow them to declare war and invade Hague if the ICC ever tries anything to them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Thanks, it's like being flogged with warm lettuce

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[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 9 months ago

Fucking hell. IDF is doing an indefensible acts speedrun, I guess.

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[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

I don't get the headline. The topic is far too important for a click bait title. He was not stunned... just asking the tough question.

[-] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

He actually says in the clip, "I'm having a hard time hearing you" after the long pause, so it's also kind of inaccurate. The response was still horrifying but reporting the information correctly would still be cool.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Zionist psychopaths.

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[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

Weird that I would think "What sort of twat calls himself Wolf Blitzer" and then find out he was born in Germany and think "Oh that's quite normal then"

WTF Germany that sounds like a blender for wild canines 😂

[-] danque@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's actually a really cool name. Translate it's Wolf Lightning or Flash. But a blender...I wouldn't have thought of that.

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[-] NoneSoVile@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

It's crazy that you can go on Reddit and see people claiming it wasn't a refugee camp meanwhile the IDF has confirmed it was a refugee camp.

They've fallen for the Israeli propaganda machine so hard that they are more extreme in their defense of the IDF than the fucking IDF.

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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The Times of Israel's take on this:

The Israel Defense Forces says it has killed the commander of Hamas’s Central Jabaliya Battalion, Ibrahim Biari, in an airstrike in the Gaza Strip a short while ago.
The military said the strike killed Biari and several other terrorists and caused underground terror tunnels to collapse, bringing down several nearby buildings.
Palestinian reports said at least 50 people were killed in the strike and subsequent collapse.
According to the IDF, Biari was one of the Hamas commanders responsible for directing members of the terror group’s elite Nukhba forces to invade Israel on October 7.
The IDF says the airstrike in Jabaliya was part of “a wide-scale strike” on Hamas operatives and infrastructure belonging to the terror group’s Central Jabaliya Battalion.
According to the IDF, the Central Jabaliya Battalion took control of several civilian buildings in the area.
“The strike damaged Hamas’s command and control in the area, as well as its ability to direct military activity against IDF soldiers operating throughout the Gaza Strip,” the army says in a statement.
It says “numerous” terrorists were killed with Biari, and “underground terror infrastructure embedded beneath the buildings, used by the terrorists, also collapsed after the strike.”
The IDF says it also “reiterates its call to the residents of the area to move south for their safety.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-jabaliya-strike-killed-top-hamas-commander-collapsed-terror-tunnels/

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 34 points 9 months ago

So, they have no actual evidence they killed the guy.

And the move south rhetoric is clearly irrelevant, since if there are any Hamas people in the south, they'll bomb the civilians there anyways. So why does the location matter?

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