I think this post explains it pretty well.
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2023
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So when an instance is blocked, it means users on the blocked instance will no longer be able to see that instanceβs content. For example, beehaw.org has now blocked lemmy.world. However with the way federation works, the content from beehaw is cached on lemmy.world servers. So you can only see what has already been cached; there will be no updated content on any existing cache.
Edit: here's a recent post from kbin.social going into further detail on how federation works.
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wait why did they defederate us?
lemmy.world and and sh.itjust.works have a lot of users and it seems like beehaw was getting too much content from them. There are apparently only 4 people running beehaw and they felt they couldn't moderate all the content and felt like it was a vulnerability that lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works just let anyone sign up.
Lemmy.world still has all the content it pulled from beehaw before they defederated, but they won't sync anymore, so you won't see new beehaw updates, and they won't see any updates from lemmy.world
Was there a reason why they defederated??
Apparently the 4 admins are having trouble dealing with the influx of new users, so they defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works because their open registration policies are giving them the most problems.
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So I guess the next question is do we now recreate beehaw communities that were popular and fragment the community, or do we make accounts on a smaller instance that has access to beehaw.org and lemmy.world? Iβm not about to start logging in and out of multiple accounts because beehaw mods are getting butt hurtβ¦
That's the thing, though. Since any accounts would be on different servers, you don't have to log out of one to log into another. You don't have to log out of Gmail to log into ProtonMail, you can be in both at the same time in the same browser.
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They are taking their ball and going home
From what I understand, if you, using a lemmy.world account, post something on a beehaw instance, only people from lemmy.world would be able to see it.
We need a c/FederatedDrama write up.
So for those who know this better, should Lemmy Kbin users look for alternative to these communities (games/gaming for me)
Not necessarily. From what I understand, it's about lemmy/kbin not vetting users. Because they were a a more heavily moderated community (by design) it's harder for them to keep that standard with other federated instances. Instead of trying to combat the population increase platforms have received, they defederated while the "riff raff" gets sorted out. If they are willing to re-federate in the future, I'm sure they'll be back. It's just the influx of users makes it harder for their small team to moderate content.
This is how federation works, though. It's by design. If you are wanting to see that content, you are able to move to a different instance (or even beehaw, if they are still taking applications), or to one that is still federated with them.
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I don't believe any kbin instances have been de-federated by beehaw...
Yeah, but if people were intentionally being trolls, it stands to reason that they'll hop on the next available open registration site and begin their shenanigans there, getting us banned too.
From what I've seen, for the most part the KBin magazines have been great, but we've definitely got a few people that I've seen that might intentionally start harassing trans people for instance and if they make lives difficult for the beehaw mods, we might get banned too just by association.
Open signups aren't novel on the fediverse, lots of places have them. The problem is having them without following up and banning problematic users... but yes I expect that if stricter instance-wide moderation doesn't happen this instance will end up being defederated by most of the fediverse (with mastodon at least that seems to be the norm).
I'm hoping moderation has been been lacking because Ernest is just overwhelmed with the amount of load, and that it is fixed soon, if not I'll end up moving on once admins start defederating it (probably to another kbin instance).
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Man, This is so cool, Not related to the topic but im able to see yall talk about lemmy from lemmy instances while im on kbin
fr, fr. Every time I see an entire different instance I can't help but go "Awww, look at them have their own lil discussion/drama over there, how cute" and the fact that I can also interact with them makes it even more adorable.
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On reddit you could get banned from many subs for posting in a sub that its moderators didn't like. And in the fediverse it's exactly the same. So what's the point? I'm here, because I hoped that it won't be like reddit.
That's just the nature of any site that allows community moderation. If you're looking for something different, try fark.com
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You have Beehaw content that was synced before they defederated.
Federation isn't accessing remote content on remote instances, it's content mirroring. So, anything that was mirrored before Beehaw defederated will stay exactly where it is. You just won't see any updates to it.
At least, not from Beehaw.
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