You've got it the other way around - Beehaw is defederating themselves from all the major instances, because they can't enforce a safe space like they want to at any kind of scale on this Fediverse model. Lemmy.world is about twice the size of Beehaw in number of users.

https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list

Only from beehaw.org, right? I'm still seeing this from sdf.org.

Am I misunderstanding or does this not just mean you'll have to choose your registered instance to match your needs, and if some instances you like are too widely considered problematic to access from a broadly useful instance you may have to have another identity there.

Somewhere like beehaw.org appears to be an instance that's likely to exclude fairly aggressively, so that's a consideration for whether you want that to be your home.

I don't see how one out of 160+ servers not connecting to sh.itjust.works would cut you out from the rest of the world.

I think of it more like being cut off from 1/160th of the fediverse. Unfortunate, but in the end a type of community I don't think I'll miss since our values don't align.

Oh there's plenty that's needed.

The vast majority of users here are from #RedditBlackout and their eyes glaze over at that discussion point. They don't know what a "federated account" is.

What's needed is education? Community organization? Etc. etc. People are new to Lemmy and Fediverse. People are trying to figure out what the plan is. A lot of users are already feeling "betrayed" that they "chose the wrong server" when they registered here at lemmy.world.

But which of those servers are personal vanity projects, and which servers are explicitly going to try to stay on the good terms of even fragile communities like Beehaw.org?

Server instances need to be clear about their intentions. If randomserver.org gets defederated from Beehaw.org, do they help the Beehaw.org team at moderating themselves? Or do they say "Whatever" and not try to help out?

This isn't clear. Servers, at least today, are still in the "Don't care who you sign up for" phase, which is naive and obviously wrong already.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's not how it works. Beehaw users can't read and comment on other instances, that Beehaw defederated with.

They want their users to be able to read and comment on other instances, but not have to mirror their content, pay for image hosting, etc. or allow other instances' users access to Beehaw's content.

This is a totally disingenuous take.

Defederating works both ways. Defederating from another instances also means that Beehaw users can't access content from that defederated site. And, in fact, that's exactly the purpose of defederating. They access remote content by having it imported locally, and what's being imported doesn't adhere to their site's guidelines.

They're not "having their cake and eating it, too". They're saying "this cake that keeps showing up on our table is full of turds, and so we're just not accepting outside cake deliveries anymore".

I listed Reddit's "secret rule" amongst long-term moderators and subreddit communities. Just straight up ban accounts that are younger than a certain age. That's already going to grossly clamp down on porn-spam and troll accounts, because it means that the trolls need to either buy a pre-made account, or the trolls have to wait a week with good behavior before engaging in troll activity.

EDIT: Is that enough for Beehaw.org? I don't know. But lets say INAA.net is just a time-delay. All accounts less than 1-week are only allowed to post to lemmy.world. All accounts older than that are unlocked to talk with Beehaw.org.

I think one thing that hasn't been mentioned here is the huge gap in the size of the communities. The largest beehaw communities have almost 20k subscribers while the largest I've seen from other instances seem to cap out at about 5k. I think the problem is that most of the users who still federate with beehaw will undoubtedly end up there. This presents serious difficulties for growing competing communities.

Is one 9 of uptime 9% or 90%? lol

I don’t know how we could guide new users to these staging instances though

Read-only access to Beehaw.org, but with a message "Beehaw.org has a user-treaty with INAA.net. Only users older than 1-week can post to Beehaw.org instances"

I admit that these features don't exist yet. But why not? Lets first come up with the idea and try to figure out what is easiest to code.

I mentioned this in a different comment, but you'd need to do legit identity verification. "Send me a picture of your face and 4 fingers" since AI can't do fingers well, or a blanked out picture of your driver's license. It would be extremely mod intensive to get set up, but it would entirely prevent bots. Sure you'd still get assholes, but banning someone whose actual identity is tied to their account is way more damaging and would get you slightly better behavior.